January 6, 2021 at 10:15 pm
Grant Fritchey wrote:Doggone it. Silly thing took me to an old post on the thread and I responded a second time. Sorry. I'll leave it up.
It's tough getting old.
Actually, it's a joy. I can safely ignore anything anyone says and they think it's because I've become hard of hearing. My favorite T-Shirt is now the one that says "Old men are NOT hard of hearing... we're just tired of listening". 😀
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
January 6, 2021 at 10:44 pm
Grant Fritchey wrote:Doggone it. Silly thing took me to an old post on the thread and I responded a second time. Sorry. I'll leave it up.
It's tough getting old.
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January 7, 2021 at 4:11 pm
Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it. When we enquire into any subject, the first thing we have to do is to know what books have treated of it. This leads us to look at catalogues, and at the backs of books in libraries."
— Samuel Johnson
I wonder, would the great Samuel Johnson have replaced that with "GIYF" now?
January 7, 2021 at 4:38 pm
Any newly-elected leader should have to watch the entire West Wing series. That was an amazing show.
Certainly was. 15 years was about the right time to wait to watch and enjoy all over again. Very thought provoking, I even read the Constitution a few weeks ago after watching a particularly interesting episode.
Madam Secretary was quite a good second too.
"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it. When we enquire into any subject, the first thing we have to do is to know what books have treated of it. This leads us to look at catalogues, and at the backs of books in libraries."
— Samuel Johnson
I wonder, would the great Samuel Johnson have replaced that with "GIYF" now?
January 7, 2021 at 4:42 pm
Any newly-elected leader should have to watch the entire West Wing series. That was an amazing show.
Should they also watch House of Cards? Maybe Scandal.
I wonder if Biden watched Veep.
January 7, 2021 at 6:12 pm
Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
There's a supposed Chinese curse: "May you have an interesting life"
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January 8, 2021 at 10:37 am
Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
A little traumatizing. I have family members who are Trump supporters (cannot figure out why as his policies are directly affecting their standard of living in a bad way) and I'm hoping none of them were stupid enough to be part of the initial rally and the chaos that followed.
Also, very PO'd at the Republicans who suddenly have problems with Trump as if they didn't see this coming. SERIOUSLY? As if!
January 8, 2021 at 2:23 pm
david.edwards 76768 wrote:Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
A little traumatizing. I have family members who are Trump supporters (cannot figure out why as his policies are directly affecting their standard of living in a bad way) and I'm hoping none of them were stupid enough to be part of the initial rally and the chaos that followed.
Also, very PO'd at the Republicans who suddenly have problems with Trump as if they didn't see this coming. SERIOUSLY? As if!
Exactly my thoughts, even the hoping some relatives were not part of it.
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January 8, 2021 at 3:11 pm
Brandie Tarvin wrote:david.edwards 76768 wrote:Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
A little traumatizing. I have family members who are Trump supporters (cannot figure out why as his policies are directly affecting their standard of living in a bad way) and I'm hoping none of them were stupid enough to be part of the initial rally and the chaos that followed.
Also, very PO'd at the Republicans who suddenly have problems with Trump as if they didn't see this coming. SERIOUSLY? As if!
Exactly my thoughts, even the hoping some relatives were not part of it.
The folks raiding the Capital buildings were just some nuts, probably qanons and boogaloos. I'm not going to lose my relationships with conservative friends and family because of some nuts. If you wonder why people vote for trump, just ask. I tell them why I vote otherwise if they want to know. The thing is, political policy is subjective and unproveable, and some issues held very deeply by folks can be used to wedge in policies that have nothing to do with the issues these folks hold very dear, but politics is politics.
Still, I think the scene was set in 2016 when the GOP primaries concluded and we ended up with you know who and heck for that matter, I hear that about the DNC's choice too. Was the USA really that short on credible candidates that we had to go the way we did?
On the other hand, I've held a theory that modern opportunities reward the most intelligent and capable people to an extend that, well, what high achieving thoughtful individual looks at a career in politics as something they want to do anymore when there are so many more interesting pursuits available? Heh for that matter, look at how we as a citizentry treat politicians we don't like, especially during campaign time? I mean who wants that mess? "Hey man I don't like your policies, let me vandalize your house."
January 8, 2021 at 3:36 pm
below86 wrote:Brandie Tarvin wrote:david.edwards 76768 wrote:Don't want to turn this political, but thinking of you guys on the left side of the pond. I just finished re-watching the excellent West Wing two days ago after a 15 year wait, then was glued to 24 hour news last night. Fact can truly be stranger than fiction sometimes.
How does it feel to be living it?
A little traumatizing. I have family members who are Trump supporters (cannot figure out why as his policies are directly affecting their standard of living in a bad way) and I'm hoping none of them were stupid enough to be part of the initial rally and the chaos that followed.
Also, very PO'd at the Republicans who suddenly have problems with Trump as if they didn't see this coming. SERIOUSLY? As if!
Exactly my thoughts, even the hoping some relatives were not part of it.
The folks raiding the Capital buildings were just some nuts, probably qanons and boogaloos. I'm not going to lose my relationships with conservative friends and family because of some nuts. If you wonder why people vote for trump, just ask. I tell them why I vote otherwise if they want to know. The thing is, political policy is subjective and unproveable, and some issues held very deeply by folks can be used to wedge in policies that have nothing to do with the issues these folks hold very dear, but politics is politics.
Still, I think the scene was set in 2016 when the GOP primaries concluded and we ended up with you know who and heck for that matter, I hear that about the DNC's choice too. Was the USA really that short on credible candidates that we had to go the way we did?
On the other hand, I've held a theory that modern opportunities reward the most intelligent and capable people to an extend that, well, what high achieving thoughtful individual looks at a career in politics as something they want to do anymore when there are so many more interesting pursuits available? Heh for that matter, look at how we as a citizentry treat politicians we don't like, especially during campaign time? I mean who wants that mess? "Hey man I don't like your policies, let me vandalize your house."
Very good points. Further to that, I've thought for decades that having the mindset of wanting to be a politician almost marks you as someone unsuitable to hold office, as a generalisation of course: there are many notable exceptions and many with sense of civic duty who do not get, or want, the limelight.
I sometimes think that public office should be a little like jury service, just subject to some basic intelligence and comprehension testing.
I still find the US constitution a remarkable document (I actually read it, amendments and all a few weeks ago, inspired by some of the episodes of West Wing). It truly has been put to the test recently, but proved resilient.
"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it. When we enquire into any subject, the first thing we have to do is to know what books have treated of it. This leads us to look at catalogues, and at the backs of books in libraries."
— Samuel Johnson
I wonder, would the great Samuel Johnson have replaced that with "GIYF" now?
January 8, 2021 at 5:13 pm
Yes, I voted for Trump in 2016. First, he wasn't my first choice. Second, there was no way on Gods green earth I was voting for an unindicted, unconvicted felon for President. I am sorry if there are those of you who disagree, but Hillary Clinton and her entire staff that worked for her when she was Secretary of State should be be in prison for mishandling classified information. Period. Any of us on this thread or forum had done what she and her staff did would be prison. We would also, upon release, more than likely unable to obtain any sort of government clearance. And her saying she wasn't told, horse manure. Anyone who has a security clearance goes through mandatory annual training. If we don't complete the training, we lose are clearance and more than likely our job. We need to hold all government officials to this standard, elected and appointed. Period.
I don't agree with many things Trump has said, but that is probably true of many people. I do, however, know that I have done better under four years of Trump than 8 years under Obama. I am not looking forward to what the next two years have instore for us.
January 8, 2021 at 6:19 pm
Oh, one other thing. I wish people were as concerned about who spends 20, 30, 40 years in the US House of Representatives and US Senate as they do about who serves 4 or 8 years in the White House.
January 8, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Further to that, I've thought for decades that having the mindset of wanting to be a politician almost marks you as someone unsuitable to hold office, as a generalisation of course: there are many notable exceptions and many with sense of civic duty who do not get, or want, the limelight.
I seem to be reading more historical accounts, and I seem to recall that back in the 1700's (maybe 1800's?) it was actually considered bad form to campaign for nomination to major offices, you had to rather sit around, be coy and play hard to get and almost be "drafted" by your party to be the nominee. How times have changed!
January 8, 2021 at 6:29 pm
"I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected."
-- William Tecumseh Sherman
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