Are the posted questions getting worse?

  • Jeff Moden wrote:

    It pisses me off, as well.  It does help my scheduling of "urgencies" though. 😀  I keep solid records of such abuses of the word "Urgent".  I'm also not afraid of confronting the manager of such individuals and educating them on why such "Cry Wolf" urgencies can actually hurt the business.  Such things don't actually happen to me often anymore because they know that if it turns out to be another abuse of the word "Urgent", I'll cut off their head, crap in their neck, and use their head for an ashtray. 😀

    Ditto for me, though not the head cutting part. I document, and let them know I'm not jumping for anything again if they abuse the urgent word. I'll happily defend my slower pace to management.

  • below86 wrote:

    Is anyone one else still getting directed to the wrong page of responses?  I was on the 'Active Threads' view and clicked on the link for Josana.work response on this thread and it took me to the prior page(4,279).  This is very annoying, thought it would've been fixed by now.

    Even posting this response takes me back to the prior page.

    It was fixed, then regressed somewhere. It's an open bug again

  • If anyone is interested in a rather interesting problem has a look at this: https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/topic/table-function-returns-varying-number-of-records-for-an-update-statement

    I gave up.

    "I cant stress enough the importance of switching from a sequential files mindset to set-based thinking. After you make the switch, you can spend your time tuning and optimizing your queries instead of maintaining lengthy, poor-performing code."

    -- Itzik Ben-Gan 2001

  • Jeff Moden wrote:

    p.s.  I've also adopted the policy of NVO (No Verbal Orders), especially for "urgencies".  It there's not a well documented ticket to support the urgency, it doesn't get done.  While that sounds like I'm being nothing more than an Ahole, I'm not.  It supports audits and a whole bunch of other things and I've gotten management support on that.  It's actually written into our SOPs on the company WIKI.

     

    I've kind of adopted the policy of, does it require changing production data?  that's a ticket.  Will it take me 30 minutes or less to get the data you want/help you and i like you?  no ticket.  Otherwise ticket.

  • ZZartin wrote:

    Jeff Moden wrote:

    p.s.  I've also adopted the policy of NVO (No Verbal Orders), especially for "urgencies".  It there's not a well documented ticket to support the urgency, it doesn't get done.  While that sounds like I'm being nothing more than an Ahole, I'm not.  It supports audits and a whole bunch of other things and I've gotten management support on that.  It's actually written into our SOPs on the company WIKI.

    I've kind of adopted the policy of, does it require changing production data?  that's a ticket.  Will it take me 30 minutes or less to get the data you want/help you and i like you?  no ticket.  Otherwise ticket.

    Even if I like them I request a ticket.  Too many times that less than 30 minute original request balloons to a half a day when they keep asking for multiple revisions because they didn't know what they really wanted.

    Sorry Jasona.work I misspelled your name in my last post.  Thanks Eirikur for pointing out my mistake. 🙂

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  • below86 wrote:

    Sorry Jasona.work I misspelled your name in my last post.  Thanks Eirikur for pointing out my mistake. 🙂

    Would you believe I didn't even notice it until you mentioned what happened and I went back up and looked just now?

    No harm, no foul!

  • I wonder whether I will be cast out from The Thread as a maverick grammar nutjob for suggesting that NSO would be a better abbreviation, given that 'verbal' means pertaining to words (be they written or spoken).


  • Phil Parkin wrote:

    I wonder whether I will be cast out from The Thread as a maverick grammar nutjob for suggesting that NSO would be a better abbreviation, given that 'verbal' means pertaining to words (be they written or spoken).

     

    Did I miss something some where?

     

  • Phil Parkin wrote:

    I wonder whether I will be cast out from The Thread as a maverick grammar nutjob for suggesting that NSO would be a better abbreviation, given that 'verbal' means pertaining to words (be they written or spoken).

    I'll see your grammatical nutjob and raise you two.  😀 According to definition "1.c" at the following link, verbal means not including any action.  So NVO still works for tickets because it requires them to take action and write the ticket.  Further, definition 3 specifically quantifies the difference as being "spoken rather than written".

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verbal

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  • Lynn Pettis wrote:

    Phil Parkin wrote:

    I wonder whether I will be cast out from The Thread as a maverick grammar nutjob for suggesting that NSO would be a better abbreviation, given that 'verbal' means pertaining to words (be they written or spoken).

    Did I miss something some where?

    About getting orders for urgencies. He's suggesting to use NSO (No Spoken Orders) instead of NVO (No Verbal Orders) as mentioned by Jeff.

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  • below86 wrote:

    ZZartin wrote:

    Jeff Moden wrote:

    p.s.  I've also adopted the policy of NVO (No Verbal Orders), especially for "urgencies".  It there's not a well documented ticket to support the urgency, it doesn't get done.  While that sounds like I'm being nothing more than an Ahole, I'm not.  It supports audits and a whole bunch of other things and I've gotten management support on that.  It's actually written into our SOPs on the company WIKI.

    I've kind of adopted the policy of, does it require changing production data?  that's a ticket.  Will it take me 30 minutes or less to get the data you want/help you and i like you?  no ticket.  Otherwise ticket.

    Even if I like them I request a ticket.  Too many times that less than 30 minute original request balloons to a half a day when they keep asking for multiple revisions because they didn't know what they really wanted.

    Sorry Jasona.work I misspelled your name in my last post.  Thanks Eirikur for pointing out my mistake. 🙂

     

    Yeah that's why it's a privilege reserved for people i like 😛 one of those criteria being I know they won't waste my time.

  • Jeff Moden wrote:

    p.s.  I've also adopted the policy of NVO (No Verbal Orders), especially for "urgencies".  It there's not a well documented ticket to support the urgency, it doesn't get done.  While that sounds like I'm being nothing more than an Ahole, I'm not.  It supports audits and a whole bunch of other things and I've gotten management support on that.  It's actually written into our SOPs on the company WIKI.

    This is something we have for everything now, even the really simple stuff; as we got fed up of people abusing "urgents" at times. People will call us, and make a "urgent" work request, to which we remind them of the correct channels to raise a work ticket. Sometimes We've been chased a week later for that work, which they needed 2 days earlier, but then respond with "I didn't have to raise the ticket" when we say we can't find it. They literally take 2 minutes; if it was that urgent you would find those 2 minutes of time.

    It does work really well though, as I'm sure many have found as well. People get a little "annoyed" by it, but those are many people that can't be bothered to make the request; but then why should we be bothered to do the work for them then? 😉

    Thom~

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  • That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...

    🙂

  • jasona.work wrote:

    That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...

    🙂

    What did I get wrong this time?

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  • jasona.work wrote:

    That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...

    🙂

    Last thing you want to do is to be like a cat on a hot tin roof

    😎

     

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