December 5, 2019 at 3:39 pm
jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
You said Mackinac Island fudge is nothing but horse poop! Yeah, that's what it was, really!
December 5, 2019 at 3:41 pm
jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
Google came up with a correction suggestion, "What didn't I get wrong this time?"
😎
You coming over for the Bits?
December 5, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Grant Fritchey wrote:jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
You said Mackinac Island fudge is nothing but horse poop! Yeah, that's what it was, really!
Well, compared to what you get out on the Cape...
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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December 5, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Grant Fritchey wrote:jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
Google came up with a correction suggestion, "What didn't I get wrong this time?"
😎
You coming over for the Bits?
HA!
In theory, yes. I've submitted a few sessions and a precon. If I get any of it accepted, I'll be there.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
December 5, 2019 at 4:14 pm
Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:Grant Fritchey wrote:jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
Google came up with a correction suggestion, "What didn't I get wrong this time?"
😎
You coming over for the Bits?
HA!
In theory, yes. I've submitted a few sessions and a precon. If I get any of it accepted, I'll be there.
Did the same, let's see what happens 😉
😎
December 5, 2019 at 4:18 pm
jasona.work wrote:Grant Fritchey wrote:jasona.work wrote:That feeling when you want to point out that someone isn't correct about what they said, but you don't want to derail a topic and / or annoy said person...
🙂
What did I get wrong this time?
You said Mackinac Island fudge is nothing but horse poop! Yeah, that's what it was, really!
Well, compared to what you get out on the Cape...
/Note to self: bring a 1/2lb of Mackinac fudge to the next event I go to that Grant's at!
December 5, 2019 at 4:24 pm
Jeff Moden wrote:p.s. I've also adopted the policy of NVO (No Verbal Orders), especially for "urgencies". It there's not a well documented ticket to support the urgency, it doesn't get done. While that sounds like I'm being nothing more than an Ahole, I'm not. It supports audits and a whole bunch of other things and I've gotten management support on that. It's actually written into our SOPs on the company WIKI.
This is something we have for everything now, if the really simple stuff; as we got fed up of people abusing "urgents" at times. People will call us, and make a "urgent" work request, to which we remind them of the correct channels to raise a work ticket. Sometimes We've been chased a week later for that work, which they needed 2 days earlier, but then respond with "I didn't have to raise the ticket" when we say we can't find it. They literally take 2 minutes; if it was that urgent you would find those 2 minutes of time.
It does work really well though, as I'm sure many have found as well. People get a little "annoyed" by it, but those are many people that can't be bothered to make the request; but then why should we be bothered to do the work for them then? 😉
I take great pleasure in telling people that they just wasted more time arguing about opening a ticket than it takes to <insert drum-roll and cymbal crash here> open a ticket.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
December 5, 2019 at 4:45 pm
If anyone is interested in a rather interesting problem has a look at this: https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/topic/table-function-returns-varying-number-of-records-for-an-update-statement
I gave up.
Looks like I was able to help the OP. Yea me!
December 6, 2019 at 11:54 am
getting back to the original topic - are the posted questions getting worse.?
hell yes...there was one today that was "I have query, make it faster" - several of us very politely asked for a tiny bit of code, maybe a query plan.. I chased it up, only to be told "fixed it with temp table" - no etiquette, no manners..... no thankyou for taking the time to look at my issue
I don't know if you guys are familiar with let me google that for you . LMGFTY.com
here's a sample https://lmgtfy.com/?q=sql+log+file
I'm so tempted to use this when people just don't try. - but i'm nice and I help the lazy people who can't use a spell checker and clearly are fixing their own issues by relying on us (i'm not naming that user)
end of Rant
MVDBA
December 6, 2019 at 12:13 pm
getting back to the original topic - are the posted questions getting worse.?
hell yes...there was one today that was "I have query, make it faster" - several of us very politely asked for a tiny bit of code, maybe a query plan.. I chased it up, only to be told "fixed it with temp table" - no etiquette, no manners..... no thankyou for taking the time to look at my issue
I don't know if you guys are familiar with let me google that for you . LMGFTY.com
here's a sample https://lmgtfy.com/?q=sql+log+file
I'm so tempted to use this when people just don't try. - but i'm nice and I help the lazy people who can't use a spell checker and clearly are fixing their own issues by relying on us (i'm not naming that user)
end of Rant
That's why I rarely post anymore, people will just not make the effort. :-/
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
Anon.
December 6, 2019 at 12:35 pm
It isn't just here that the questions are getting worse. If you look at other sites the same trend is true. Considering the wealth of knowledge that is readily available for anyone with some sense (good attitude) from sites like here, the Stack Exchange Communities, MSDN, etc, it's amazing how little effort people show to solve their problems.
I don't think it helps that there are many, on certain websites (cough Stack overflow cough) that don't help the situation by answering the questions for these people, just for some "internet points". Those that answer the awful questions you see, without trying to get the OP to engage or even try, are as much to blame as the Op themselves, in my opinion. (Of course, engaging the OP to show their attempts is conversational on Stack Overflow and therefore off-topic. You're expected to downvote, vote to close and move on; because that's how you build a "good" concise Q&A community. In fact, asking the OP "what did you try?" is not even allowed any more. /headdesk)
Thom~
Excuse my typos and sometimes awful grammar. My fingers work faster than my brain does.
Larnu.uk
December 6, 2019 at 2:15 pm
I don't think it helps that there are many, on certain websites (cough Stack overflow cough) that don't help the situation by answering the questions for these people, just for some "internet points". Those that answer the awful questions you see, without trying to get the OP to engage or even try, are as much to blame as the Op themselves, in my opinion. (Of course, engaging the OP to show their attempts is conversational on Stack Overflow and therefore off-topic. You're expected to downvote, vote to close and move on; because that's how you build a "good" concise Q&A community. In fact, asking the OP "what did you try?" is not even allowed any more. /headdesk)
This is why I'm not a fan of the SO sites. You can get good answers there though when you do search, I just don't like to post or answer there because of the way they discourage conversation.
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December 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm
oooh points, that gamification that gives you a sense of achievement on a website. sadly it's quite a hook for newbies, but you get a lot of "trawlers" that just scrape points.
I don't care if I have a fraction of the points of most of the experts on here - I just want to help. and maybe on occasions get a bit of help or write something for the site
MVDBA
December 6, 2019 at 2:45 pm
I don't think it helps that there are many, on certain websites (cough Stack overflow cough) that don't help the situation by answering the questions for these people, just for some "internet points". Those that answer the awful questions you see, without trying to get the OP to engage or even try, are as much to blame as the Op themselves, in my opinion. (Of course, engaging the OP to show their attempts is conversational on Stack Overflow and therefore off-topic. You're expected to downvote, vote to close and move on; because that's how you build a "good" concise Q&A community. In fact, asking the OP "what did you try?" is not even allowed any more. /headdesk)
What really bugs me is that the answers frequently suck so hard they have their own source of gravity. When you call them on it, you get chastised and told "it worked, so what"?
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
December 6, 2019 at 2:58 pm
Thom A wrote:I don't think it helps that there are many, on certain websites (cough Stack overflow cough) that don't help the situation by answering the questions for these people, just for some "internet points". Those that answer the awful questions you see, without trying to get the OP to engage or even try, are as much to blame as the Op themselves, in my opinion. (Of course, engaging the OP to show their attempts is conversational on Stack Overflow and therefore off-topic. You're expected to downvote, vote to close and move on; because that's how you build a "good" concise Q&A community. In fact, asking the OP "what did you try?" is not even allowed any more. /headdesk)
What really bugs me is that the answers frequently suck so hard they have their own source of gravity. When you call them on it, you get chastised and told "it worked, so what"?
And then there are those that criticize (read basically attack) a suggested solution even after the OP thanks both individuals for their suggestions, states which one they are going to explore and even provides some attentional details that may indicate that the chosen suggestion could be viable for their environment.
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