January 9, 2021 at 1:34 am
Costco was just an example. Could be any ‘type’ of establishment. It was to show you could gather information, with out have to ‘intentionally’ put any given number of covid positives into a situation to gather something upstream.
Right now, if they are doing any contact tracing it is days late, and who knows how accurate.
You get part of the story much more up front. Imagine if lines at a grocery store are part of the problem. You are masked, 6 feet apart, but can be in a constant state of moving into the next occupied spot. The assumption is this is fine, and we ignore grocery stores and other retail environments. Time to start actually see if numbers really back this up.
Our sudden spread out state seemed to track with hunting season. If they were really doing contact tracing, it would have been interesting to have seen if there was any correlation. Many hunters go to the bar, and rural sees no need for masks. The only data point available - your home zip code - means very little. Thought if they were doing this right, they should also have a where you likely got it too.
Go to the Traverse City Michigan website for covid. They list a weekly report for covid tracing results.
If I visited, and got a covid positive test there, it would get tagged back to a different state. Kind of a move the cheese number.
We have something with a 3 to 14 day incubation period, with testing for most voluntary, and after the fact. Many will show little to no symptoms. Seems you have the old Bob Ross brush to paint your picture. Hard to believe this is called Follow The Science.
January 9, 2021 at 10:57 am
The real main problem is that in America and Europe everyone is so f****g smart!
everyone knows everything about viruses, and about corona viruses in particular. Everyone knows everything about masks and how do they work with that particular strain of coronavirus.
Everybody is bloody top level virusologis, epidemiologist, psychologist, sociologist, best governor, not to mention football coach.
To the point when they present perfect illustration to the point made in the movie "Idiocracy".
I watched Chinese people here in New Zealand through this pandemic crisis. When some odd virus started spreading in China, when NZ goverment did not have a clue on this matter, not a single case registered here yet, Chinese all put masks on. All arrivals from China were locked in back rooms of their houses, with family members taking care of feeding and supplying them while minimising any possibility of virus transfer. Because that was for their families.
And now, when we have almost all the restriction lifted, every staff member in Chinese shops wears a mask. And if someone will try to be smarter than others - the punishment will be quick and effective.
And there is no power of suppressive Chinese government here in NZ, no influence from totalitarian Chinese communist party. Just sense of community and following the lead of the elderly.
So, just surrender to the fact, that even after watching 50 very convincing videos on YouTube you're nowhere near year 3 student of a medical university when it comes to viruses. Listen to professionals, not influencers.
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January 9, 2021 at 11:20 am
The baffling thing to me is why are these amazing conspiracy theories so believable, and spread so fast, when the simple answers are staring people in the face? Occam's Razor.
Trump's playbook has been used before, although he has taken it to a much higher level. In the 40's and 50's Joe McCarthy used the lie, lie again, and deflect strategy to, in most cases, falsely accuse Americans of Communism.
The common thread between McCarthy and Trump was Roy Cohn.
This strategy has become the norm worldwide. And people fall for it day after day.
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January 11, 2021 at 3:33 pm
First, I welcome the discussion in a respectful manner. I know we will all disagree about different things, but please be respectful as if we were friends in the same room with each other.
I don't know that I think this debate needs a separate thread, but if anyone feels strongly, I'd ask others just create another thread in this same forum, otherwise, I don't mind it continuing here.
January 11, 2021 at 3:35 pm
For those of you that knew him, Gareth Swanepoel passed away on Friday - https://twitter.com/SQLBalls/status/1347722916700557319
He was a passionate member of the SQL community and a fellow speaker I've known for years.
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January 11, 2021 at 3:36 pm
First, I welcome the discussion in a respectful manner. I know we will all disagree about different things, but please be respectful as if we were friends in the same room with each other.
I don't know that I think this debate needs a separate thread, but if anyone feels strongly, I'd ask others just create another thread in this same forum, otherwise, I don't mind it continuing here.
Apologies, hadn't intended it to become political and polarised, it was a genuine concern for those of you the other side of the pond. Came back after the weekend and I seem to have unleashed a bit of a beast.
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— Samuel Johnson
I wonder, would the great Samuel Johnson have replaced that with "GIYF" now?
January 11, 2021 at 4:28 pm
No apology necessary David, this was a good demonstration of the answer.
Can we continue and heal with this mindset? I don't know. Is there an alternative to years and years of civil unrest and agony? Again, don't know.
I'd move to Scotland, but honestly not sure that's going to be much better post-Brexit. And Canada isn't far enough away.
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January 11, 2021 at 4:58 pm
Certainly no apology needed. I think the discussion and debate is healthy. I might question if it belongs in another thread, but it's not that much of an issue.
I tend to agree with Jonathan that changing minds is hard. I doubt many of us are that far apart, but I also think that communication and succinct expression is hard(er) in writing a debate between people. Often because we do not behave the same as we do in person.
I would move to New Zealand if I went anywhere. Still might at some point, but they won't have me for now. However, I love Colorado, and I don't know that I want to leave.
January 11, 2021 at 5:21 pm
For those of you that knew him, Gareth Swanepoel passed away on Friday - https://twitter.com/SQLBalls/status/1347722916700557319
He was a passionate member of the SQL community and a fellow speaker I've known for years.
SQL Memorial - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EhnbnsaS4&feature=youtu.be
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January 11, 2021 at 5:54 pm
My uncle tested positive in December for Covid, I know 3 people that are friends of my father in law that have it. I can't say for sure if they wore mask or not, but based on my perception of all of them(R), I would bet they were NOT wearing masks.
And I thought this thread was for anything NOT SQL related.
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January 11, 2021 at 7:14 pm
The baffling thing to me is why are these amazing conspiracy theories so believable, and spread so fast, when the simple answers are staring people in the face? Occam's Razor.
Trump's playbook has been used before, although he has taken it to a much higher level. In the 40's and 50's Joe McCarthy used the lie, lie again, and deflect strategy to, in most cases, falsely accuse Americans of Communism.
The common thread between McCarthy and Trump was Roy Cohn.
This strategy has become the norm worldwide. And people fall for it day after day.
What an interesting character! I have a new rabbit hole to explore!
I'm fascinated by history. Heck we're making history right now, people will be dissecting the last few years for quite a while, I've already purchased many books on you know who, no matter what, this entire episode has produced plenty of conversational fodder, but I can certainly understand some folks distaste for the topic.
January 12, 2021 at 12:16 pm
Happy New Year, Threadizens.
It's been ages since I had enough time to visit here and actually post something, and I wasn't sure if I'd have time today but there were a few items which caught my eye and one or two which had me jump out of this uncomfortable seat. So here are some notes from an old geezer on our small island.
Way back in March, around the second week, the CEO of the small company I work for sent all but essential staff home from the London office. He'd seen the writing on the wall and made the right decision. Since then I've been back to the office only once, for a meeting in September, finding out whilst there that of the 50 occupants of that office there had been five individuals off work with COVID-19 in the third week of March, including me. When I had it I thought it was flu, same as the other four, not this exotic new disease - and I didn't know for sure until I registered as a "convalescent plasma donor", gave a pint, then got quickly recalled to do it again. The others were determined positive by testing. Our experiences of the disease were similar. So yes, I know people who have had the disease, it's not a myth and neither is it a "Plandemic".
Masks are cheap and effective - but not so much for you as who you are talking to. Wear your mask when you're around other people, or likely to be. Please. There's abundant evidence to support mask wearing and those who choose not to because of some warped idea about freedom deserve to be shamed.
Avoid this new disease. Too many viruses have a vicious sting in the tail:
Chickenpox -> shingles
Measles -> SSPE (about 1/1500 cases die of encephalitis some years after infection)
Hepatitis B and C -> liver cancer
HPV -> oral and genital cancers
Polio -> can't remember but it's unpleasant
Get the vaccine at your first opportunity. It's your best defence against this disease. Millions of recipients vs a few hundred adverse reactions, it's thousands of times safer than the disease - which could kill you. The allergic reactions are easy to treat, Covid is not.
I understand this stuff. It's years since I did a Microbiology degree and followed it up with a PhD in Biochemistry, but neither the interest nor the knowledge ever wane. Our Medical microbiology lecturer, a chap called Hugh Pennington (who used to be dragged in front of the cameras during flu epidemics) often reminded us that a severe pandemic was long overdue, and this is it.
I can't find anyone in my circle of friends, or even Facebook acquaintances, who sees former POTUS Trump as anything other than an international joke, a lying clown hell bent on self aggrandisement, putting himself before the country he's supposed to represent. A dark chapter in the history of the USA is coming to an end and in a week or two (if things go as planned because the mad cretin could yet screw things up) the entire world will breathe a collective sigh of relief as your new POTUS is sworn in.
This year will be so much better than last year!
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January 12, 2021 at 2:53 pm
Well said ChrisM@Work, well said.
On a different note. ROLL TIDE!!!!!
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January 13, 2021 at 3:30 pm
Congrats, Alabama (again)
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