January 22, 2020 at 12:52 pm
I'll be the angel of death this time:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51209197
I'd love to say, he's not quite dead.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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January 22, 2020 at 2:20 pm
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I'll be the angel of death this time:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51209197
I'd love to say, he's not quite dead.
Always look on the bright side of life
For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow!
Forget about your sin -- give the audience a grin,
Enjoy it, it's the last chance anyhow!
So always look on the bright side of death!
Just before you draw your terminal breath.
Life's a piece of [redacted],
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true,
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!
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January 22, 2020 at 4:04 pm
I'll be the angel of death this time:
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51209197
I'd love to say, he's not quite dead.
Despite being told that he is deceased and has not been nailed to a perch, the lead developer insists that he is "pining for the fjords" or simply "stunned".
monty python at their best in the dead parrot sketch - I might have to watch "the life of brian" tonight - and grant … if eric idle goes next, i'm staying well away from you at any conference. 🙁
MVDBA
January 22, 2020 at 8:25 pm
A Møøse once bit my sister...
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January 23, 2020 at 2:27 pm
On a different note, here's one of the many reasons I fear both the cloud and any automatic performance metrics collected by any company...
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-accidentally-exposes-250-million-customer-support-records-online/
This has gotten to be a totally stupid problem, especially since it's so easy to prevent.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
January 29, 2020 at 3:20 pm
Just a thought,
every post I've replied to in the last few weeks has had updates and new info from pretty much the same bunch of people on here.
Grant, Jeff,KTFlash, Jonathan AC Roberts and a few others.. but the original posters often don't re-engage with the conversation when we open up a dialogue and give them the answer on a plate.
Am I the only one thinking that we need some fresh blood throwing solutions around?
MVDBA
January 29, 2020 at 6:33 pm
Just a thought,
every post I've replied to in the last few weeks has had updates and new info from pretty much the same bunch of people on here.
Grant, Jeff,KTFlash, Jonathan AC Roberts and a few others.. but the original posters often don't re-engage with the conversation when we open up a dialogue and give them the answer on a plate.
Am I the only one thinking that we need some fresh blood throwing solutions around?
Bring 'em in!
Hopefully shedding more light than heat, I think most of the time, the OP either has their answer, and disappears until next time. Or, when the answer is not "hit magic button X, which fixes all the things" they lose interest. Lots of people seem to be caught way over their heads. If stuff isn't an instant, abiding fix, but rather, a request for lots more information or a suggestion that they need to literally change what they're doing (which, let's face it, most people can't, won't, don't want to, or have been forbidden from even suggesting), they leave. There are lots of places. I saw the exact same question from someone appear on Quora, where I answered it. Then here, where I answered it (the same way) and asked if they posted on Quora. Then I saw the same question appear on Stack Overflow. My answer was not push button x, so they went shopping to find that answer (they never did of course).
This isn't a "kids these days" situation. I'm pretty sure most of the people we engage with are our age (not yours, Jeff). They're just utterly overwhelmed and are seeking instant answers, not deeper learning and understanding.
However, if you think new voices is the answer, hell, let's hear 'em. I'm all in on that. I skip some questions just because I feel like, I've answered that one three times this week. We could use new voices. The more the merrier. I always encourage engagement at places like this. It's a great way to build expertise & knowledge. I'd say this is especially true here at SSC where we are, mostly, quite kind about it all (we fail sometimes, oh well, keep trying).
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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January 29, 2020 at 11:58 pm
To add to what Grant has stated, I agree that "new" voices are a bonus on any forum but I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned (and still learn) a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
January 30, 2020 at 3:50 am
To add to what Grant has stated, I agree that "new" voices are a bonus on any forum but I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned (and still learn) a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
Same here, Jeff. I know I don't know everything or get everything right. That is one of the reasons I became active here nearly 15 years ago. You, yourself, have been a great mentor to me as have many others we call heavy hitters.
It is the new ones that want to learn that we need to come here to learn and then pick up the mantle of mentor as well. You learn so much more when you start to teach others.
January 30, 2020 at 4:18 am
My apologies. I wanted to Quote Jeff's answer, but accidentally hit the REPORT link instead. Are Admins/Mods able to please undo my error
This was the post (copied from my mail)
To add to what Grant has stated, I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
January 30, 2020 at 4:20 am
Jeff Moden wrote:To add to what Grant has stated, I agree that "new" voices are a bonus on any forum but I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned (and still learn) a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
Same here, Jeff. I know I don't know everything or get everything right. That is one of the reasons I became active here nearly 15 years ago. You, yourself, have been a great mentor to me as have many others we call heavy hitters.
It is the new ones that want to learn that we need to come here to learn and then pick up the mantle of mentor as well. You learn so much more when you start to teach others.
Agreed. Having my attempts at answers picked apart has helped me write better (more performant) SQL over the years
January 30, 2020 at 8:50 am
You learn so much more when you start to teach others.
could not agree more - most of my learning came from working as a consultant and seeing how other people got it wrong... I googled, researched and put questions on here that other people can look at.
I also agree that there are quite a few bad answers (most of them are mine 🙂 ) and we should not be afraid to correct them, this is also a form of mentoring... (maybe one or 2 people do it a bit too harshly - jeff, you know who i'm talking about)
I like to live my life by the principal of "pay it forward" - if we help others, maybe, just maybe they will pass their learnings on.
MVDBA
January 30, 2020 at 8:52 am
My apologies. I wanted to Quote Jeff's answer, but accidentally hit the REPORT link instead. Are Admins/Mods able to please undo my error
This was the post (copied from my mail)
To add to what Grant has stated, I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
Yeah, I got it. Thanks.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
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SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
January 30, 2020 at 8:56 am
To add to what Grant has stated, I agree that "new" voices are a bonus on any forum but I have seen some "new" people come in with some answers that are just horrible. When you point out why their answer has an issue and a possible better method (even with coded proof that it is), a lot of them just bail out instead of embracing it as a learning opportunity themselves. It's one of the ways I learned (and still learn) a lot. Post something and have someone post something better even if they call me out directly??? I'm all ears if it involves code.
I do think this is all part of the service. I'm pretty sure Gail's full time job back in the day was correcting my posts. I know Paul White had his hands full fixing my stupid. I even responded badly to one of those (still upset with myself on that one). It happens. I think the key is, we approach anyone's answers the same way we approach anyone's questions. We try to help & guide with some kindness & understanding. 99% of the time we nail it pretty good around here. If people can't see that, it's on them. Of course, the 1% where we come off like XExchange... let's not talk about that.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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