March 18, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (3/18/2009)
There is no offsides rule. Put a rugger up in front and he'll drag and last defender along with him.
So Steve, are you a Soccer Referee's nightmare on the sideline? I had a disagreement last night with a COACH at a Girls Varsity game over Law 11. He didn't like the fact that I called his player for offside when she had come FROM an offside position AFTER her teammate had played the ball and PARTICIPATED IN PLAY by being the first player to play the ball.
March 18, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Nope, not a soccer player or soccer parent at all.
Ex-rugby player forced to play soccer at practice sometimes. More fun when it's full contact 🙂
March 18, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Steve, I won't ask about the balls, but do ruggers really eat their dead?
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March 18, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Full-contact soccer.... that has possibilities.
Though I have to say, this pretty much sums up my favorite sport: http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2009-02-18/
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March 18, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Rugby player? Where are you from? UK? Thats the only guess I can make from your name.
I so much dont like Rugby. I prefer Football or should I call it Soccer. Less contact 🙂
-Roy
March 18, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (3/18/2009)
Nope, not a soccer player or soccer parent at all.Ex-rugby player forced to play soccer at practice sometimes. More fun when it's full contact 🙂
Ha, you'd be one of the first to be Red Carded then in a soccer game. A little bit of trivia. Soccer, as we know it today, was started in 1863 in London when a group of gentleman schools got together in a Pub to set out a formal set rules to use in competition with each other. One of the schools didn't agree and went off and setup their own set of rules. That school was Rugby. 😀
March 18, 2009 at 1:07 pm
GSquared (3/18/2009)
Full-contact soccer.... that has possibilities.Though I have to say, this pretty much sums up my favorite sport: http://comics.com/pearls_before_swine/2009-02-18/
Reminds me of the joke, I once went to the fights and a hockey game broke out.
Last year my daughters got to see an Air Force Hockey game after watching an Aif Force Basketball game, no extra charge and the basketball ticket had been free as well. After that, they were hooked. We bought them season tickets this year (GO AIR FORCE!).
March 18, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Don't eat the dead, but a few may get left laying around.
Our coach used to scream at us in soccer. The idea was to develop footwork, but too often we'd just "move" the guy in front of us with the ball, or even carry the smaller guys along with us to avoid offsides.
March 18, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Lynn Pettis (3/18/2009)
I had a disagreement last night with a COACH at a Girls Varsity game over Law 11. He didn't like the fact that I called his player for offside when she had come FROM an offside position AFTER her teammate had played the ball and PARTICIPATED IN PLAY by being the first player to play the ball.
Hey I was that coach once, although I was a Junior High coach. Immediately after I finally had the rule correctly explained to me and the next time I saw the ref I apologized to him because I was the ignorant one.
I found that offsides is easier to explain to someone who understands hockey offsides. Although this particular situation wouldn't apply in hockey.
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March 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Greg Snidow (3/18/2009)
Greetings all. Admitedly, reading "the rant" lead me to this thread, and at the risk of seeming to barge in on a club of which I am not a member, I just felt compelled to thank you all for the help you have given me over the past year or maybe two. I am one of those people who knew how to use Access a little bit, so was reluctantly volunteered to take it to SQL Server, without even knowing what that was. In a desperate search for help, I found the Belutions SQL forum, which is now defunct, and there Jeff suggested I try here. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the un-paralleled willingness to help us foundlings, and I have since grown to love SQL, and at least trying to help those even less knowledgable than myself(although those cases are rare). So, I will leave with a simple "thank you" to you all.Greg
You are more than welcome to The Thread. We all started with little knowledge and we all still have people who know more than we do.
I have to ask though, have you read all 2700+ posts?
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March 18, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jack Corbett (3/18/2009)
Lynn Pettis (3/18/2009)
I had a disagreement last night with a COACH at a Girls Varsity game over Law 11. He didn't like the fact that I called his player for offside when she had come FROM an offside position AFTER her teammate had played the ball and PARTICIPATED IN PLAY by being the first player to play the ball.Hey I was that coach once, although I was a Junior High coach. Immediately after I finally had the rule correctly explained to me and the next time I saw the ref I apologized to him because I was the ignorant one.
I found that offsides is easier to explain to someone who understands hockey offsides. Although this particular situation wouldn't apply in hockey.
What really helped me understand it was looking at it using the Three P's: Position, Pal, Partitipation. If you can answer Yes to all three, you have the offside foul. Is the player in an offside POSITION (not a foul in and of itself), at the moment their PAL (teammate) plays or touches the ball, and they PARTICIPATE in play. Just remember that the third condition is ITOOTR (In The Opinion Of The Referee). They actually define it for the most part in Law 11, but there is still some amount of interpretation by the referee.
This is also how I try to explain it to others. The ones I find having the hardest time understanding it are actually the parents.
March 18, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Do you know what makes the offside call even harder to understand in soccer? It is fluid, it moves depending on where play is on the field.
March 18, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Bob Hovious (3/18/2009)
Do you wonder whether he is self taught, or had some Oracle background? (His dba wife!? He said she said that cursors versus set based depended on the database.) He got off to SUCH a wrong start with SQL Server, I can understand why he started the rant now.
[font="Verdana"]What I want to know is this: where does this myth that cursors run better in Oracle come from? A lot of developers in Oracle user cursors, it's true. And by using a refcursor you can sort of treat it like a set, true. But in general, cursors run slower in Oracle than does the equivalent set based appraoch.
From personal experience, I have recoded some Oracle code that was cursor based, and seen the execution times drop by a factor of 1,000. Admittedly, that was a cursor over a linked server (SQL Server parlance), so probably an extenuating case. But I've also taken a cursor based calculation that took over 12 hours (i.e. got killed after 12 hours), and reduced it to run to completion in under 10 minutes. That was all in Oracle.
So what's this myth about cursors in Oracle being okay? I bet if we go into Oracle forums, we will find the seasoned professions uttering the self same rant about cursors and row-by-row that the SQL Server folk do.
Now DB/2 I don't know. Maybe cursors are okay in DB/2? 😛
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March 18, 2009 at 1:45 pm
[font="Verdana"]By the way folks... total awe in the time and effort you have all taken in answering that thread. Just amazing. Well done.[/font]
March 18, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I'm with Bruce, I'm amazed and in awe of what you did. And I'm glad no one held a grudge.
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