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Steve Collins SSCrazy Points: 2227 More actions · Answer 1

It happened to be an article (which I vote yes also to keeping open) but idk it could've been a regular forum post. Those come up in searches. A new thread with a link to the old doesn't seem as simple as just one thread. What if this rule was applied backwards, how many threads would be broken?

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 738632 More actions · Answer 2

Asked the question as part of the triage and planning for this work about how many threads might be affected, or might be exceptions.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004638 More actions · Answer 3

Steve Jones - SSC Editor wrote:

Asked the question as part of the triage and planning for this work about how many threads might be affected, or might be exceptions.

Perhaps you should read the article here before insisting on such changes. In particular, read the part that says, and I quote...

The last line from the article:
"Write better code and you might be surprised just how scalable your system proves itself to be."

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 738632 More actions · Answer 4

We haven't had scale issues. You're conflating changes with bugs or errors.

And, yes, I do push the staff to write better code and be accountable for their mistakes.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004638 More actions · Answer 5

If you've not had scale issues, then why all the business about limiting notations and shutting down notifications on old posts?

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 738632 More actions · Answer 6

Jeff Moden wrote:

If you've not had scale issues, then why all the business about limiting notations and shutting down notifications on old posts?

Perhaps a verbiage issue. Scale, to me, is concurrent users and handling a load there. We've not had that.

We have had a session overload with the processing of the notifications. Given the data model, which is poor in WP and isn't designed well for large filtering, the subscriptions were an issue. That is somewhat scale, but it isn't about writing better code, at least not within the design of the WP data model. It's about reducing the load, or about redesigning how the notification system works. In that case, we would be forking the forum code, which makes upgrades an issue.

We could submit a PR to the software developer, but since an improvement to handle a much larger level of notifications would be a data model change, moving away from how WP architects things, philosophically, I doubt it would be accepted.

As it is, my push is to abandon the WP model in places where we are building our own software in the name of being more efficient with computing resources and working with larger scales of things, but that's few places. Most of the time you are building something that you expect to work with singletons, or a session, in which case the silly JSON-stuff-many-things-into-a-field model works well.

It's a No-SQL/document DB kind of model for WP, which is highly scalable (concurrently) for singletons, less efficient for space usage, poor for data dupe and multi-row operations, but well understood by a class of developers working in that architecture.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004638 More actions · Answer 7

Thanks for the explanation, Steve. I appreciate it.

But, aren't notifications working "just fine now"?

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Michael L John One Orange Chip Points: 27079 More actions · Answer 8

This person is in way over their head.

https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin

Michael L John
If you assassinate a DBA, would you pull a trigger?
To properly post on a forum:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/61537/

frederico_fonseca SSCoach Points: 16250 More actions · Answer 9

Michael L John wrote:

This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin

one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)

Eirikur Eiriksson SSC Guru Points: 182948 More actions · Answer 10

frederico_fonseca wrote:

Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)

frederico_fonseca wrote:

Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)

Just hinted that there might be time to call in an expert.

😎

Michael L John One Orange Chip Points: 27079 More actions · Answer 11

Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:

frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
Just hinted that there might be time to call in an expert. 😎

I'm not sure they are even capable of understanding what to ask, and worse, what to provide. Their posts have bounced all over the place. I'm betting they are a network admin (or something) that was either thrown into something, or worse, sees a perceived issue.

I think that there is a large language barrier also.

Michael L John
If you assassinate a DBA, would you pull a trigger?
To properly post on a forum:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/61537/

Eirikur Eiriksson SSC Guru Points: 182948 More actions · Answer 12

Michael L John wrote:

Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
Just hinted that there might be time to call in an expert. 😎
I'm not sure they are even capable of understanding what to ask, and worse, what to provide. Their posts have bounced all over the place. I'm betting they are a network admin (or something) that was either thrown into something, or worse, sees a perceived issue.
I think that there is a large language barrier also.

I agree on the observation of language barriers, both human and programming languages

😎

Michael L John One Orange Chip Points: 27079 More actions · Answer 13

Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:

Michael L John wrote:
Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
Just hinted that there might be time to call in an expert. 😎
I'm not sure they are even capable of understanding what to ask, and worse, what to provide. Their posts have bounced all over the place. I'm betting they are a network admin (or something) that was either thrown into something, or worse, sees a perceived issue.
I think that there is a large language barrier also.
I agree on the observation of language barriers, both human and programming languages
😎

This person I will no longer help.

https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/ahmed_elbarbary2010

All of his posts are "here's the data, write my code"

Michael L John
If you assassinate a DBA, would you pull a trigger?
To properly post on a forum:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/61537/

Jeffrey Williams SSC Guru Points: 90350 More actions · Answer 14

Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:

Michael L John wrote:
Eirikur Eiriksson wrote:
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
frederico_fonseca wrote:
Michael L John wrote:
This person is in way over their head.
https://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/user/bruin
one of those I refuse to help now - ignores suggestions and fails to supply requested information and just wishes for us to do their work for them (for free)
Just hinted that there might be time to call in an expert. 😎
I'm not sure they are even capable of understanding what to ask, and worse, what to provide. Their posts have bounced all over the place. I'm betting they are a network admin (or something) that was either thrown into something, or worse, sees a perceived issue.
I think that there is a large language barrier also.
I agree on the observation of language barriers, both human and programming languages
😎

I have to disagree - I believe this individual learned early in their career how to manipulate co-workers into doing their work for them. Now, they are doing the same thing in the forums - by doing 'just enough' to make it appear that they have made an attempt so you will then continue providing the help they need until you finally end up providing a full blown solution.

There have been many times this particular individual comes back with things like 'here is my attempt - will this work'. And when you answer without code - the ask is to provide code to 'show' them.

Jeffrey Williams
“We are all faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations.”

― Charles R. Swindoll

How to post questions to get better answers faster
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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004638 More actions · Answer 15

There are several people that I've recently decided are earning a living based on the kindness of strangers that I will no longer help especially since they've been doing the same thing for a really long time.

In a previous company, we had a couple of folks where if useful knowledge of SQL were gasoline, they would have enough to run a piss-ant's minibike through a match box. They "survived" by using forums and they couldn't tell a good answer from a bad one and, of course, they were slow because they had to wait for forum answers. I blame the boss that hired them, who also had a "gasoline" problem.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)