January 22, 2019 at 12:54 pm
Ray K - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:59 AMI once dealt with a recruiter who would not tell me with whom I was interviewing until a day before the interview, despite the number of times I asked. (He would ONLY tell me it was "an insurance company.") And it turned out to be a company for which I had no interest in working.Since then, I absolutely refuse to acknowledge unsolicited recruiters.
I had a recruiter ask me what my bottom line was. I told them. They came back with an offer that was substantially below it. I said "No thanks" and the recruiter got extremely upset with me. Company also called me up, pissed. I told them why. They said, "Oh, but you'll make that up in bonuses." I talked to their people. No bonuses were ever delivered.
Funny enough, the reason I thought of that one is because the company is notorious in our area. They've burned through DBA talent like you wouldn't believe (combination of extremely challenging environment, in the best sense, and a challenging environment, in the worst sense). So, I get recruiters calling me for a hedge fund. I ask, "Is it this one?" They're like "Well, we can't tell you." So I say "Fine, but if it is so&so Hedge Fund, I've already turned them down once and they really dislike me. You may want to consider whether or not you want to send my resume in." Half the recruiters say, oh, well, it is them. The other half just say "Well, never mind then." And I know it's them, because otherwise, why would they not take you.
Oh, and just so we're clear since my co-workers are all here, this happened before my glorious job at Redgate.
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January 22, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Grant Fritchey - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:54 PMRay K - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:59 AMI once dealt with a recruiter who would not tell me with whom I was interviewing until a day before the interview, despite the number of times I asked. (He would ONLY tell me it was "an insurance company.") And it turned out to be a company for which I had no interest in working.Since then, I absolutely refuse to acknowledge unsolicited recruiters.
I had a recruiter ask me what my bottom line was. I told them. They came back with an offer that was substantially below it. I said "No thanks" and the recruiter got extremely upset with me. Company also called me up, pissed. I told them why. They said, "Oh, but you'll make that up in bonuses." I talked to their people. No bonuses were ever delivered.
Funny enough, the reason I thought of that one is because the company is notorious in our area. They've burned through DBA talent like you wouldn't believe (combination of extremely challenging environment, in the best sense, and a challenging environment, in the worst sense). So, I get recruiters calling me for a hedge fund. I ask, "Is it this one?" They're like "Well, we can't tell you." So I say "Fine, but if it is so&so Hedge Fund, I've already turned them down once and they really dislike me. You may want to consider whether or not you want to send my resume in." Half the recruiters say, oh, well, it is them. The other half just say "Well, never mind then." And I know it's them, because otherwise, why would they not take you.
Oh, and just so we're clear since my co-workers are all here, this happened before my glorious job at Redgate.
Haha. My wife is severely underpaid for her position. She worked for a company that got acquired by a much larger about 10 years ago. Her boss at the original company was notorious for underpaying (and often overworking) female employees. Every year she brings it up during review time and she keeps getting met with things like "we will increase your bonus factor" or "well you get a huge bonus so that should offset it some". Are they for real? She would get a significant raise if she quit and got direct hired. And really a bonus is NOT part of compensation, it is a bonus and can't be counted on. Seems recruiters aren't the only people out there twisting stuff around.
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January 22, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Ray K - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:59 AMSean Lange - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:54 AMI had a recruiter once add abilities to my CV that I didn't possess. The job required some super deep knowledge of X509 to write a bunch of security stuff. When the recruiter asked if I knew anything about X509 I told them it is the standard for SSL but I didn't know much about how it works. When I got to the interview they started asking me all sorts of questions about how to handle various security aspects and how the relate to X509. Needless to say I had no answer to the question other than "I don't know". After 4-5 of these questions and me clearly have no idea of how it worked the interviewer asked me why I had inflated my CV to include stuff I clearly know nothing about. I was surprised to say the least and ask if they had a copy of my CV. Fortunately for me I always print a few copies for interviews just in case. The CV which I submitted to the recruiting agency and the one the interviewer had were very different. I was suddenly an expert in X509 when in reality I could barely spell it. It was the end of the formal interview but all had a good laugh about it. I doubt the recruiter had much of a laugh as they got a nasty call from me and likely their client. Needless to say I don't work with them anymore.
I once dealt with a recruiter who would not tell me with whom I was interviewing until a day before the interview, despite the number of times I asked. (He would ONLY tell me it was "an insurance company.") And it turned out to be a company for which I had no interest in working.
Since then, I absolutely refuse to acknowledge unsolicited recruiters.
Well, an unsolicited recruiter got me a job that I'm starting today. Everything seems fine right now, except for some of the DB code, but that's why I'm here.
When you're unemployed in a foreign country, you can't get too picky on where the offers come from.
January 22, 2019 at 2:51 pm
Had a recruiter today ask me if I could stripe data across disks.
I started laughing and hung up.
January 22, 2019 at 3:01 pm
Luis Cazares - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:59 PMRay K - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:59 AMSean Lange - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:54 AMI had a recruiter once add abilities to my CV that I didn't possess. The job required some super deep knowledge of X509 to write a bunch of security stuff. When the recruiter asked if I knew anything about X509 I told them it is the standard for SSL but I didn't know much about how it works. When I got to the interview they started asking me all sorts of questions about how to handle various security aspects and how the relate to X509. Needless to say I had no answer to the question other than "I don't know". After 4-5 of these questions and me clearly have no idea of how it worked the interviewer asked me why I had inflated my CV to include stuff I clearly know nothing about. I was surprised to say the least and ask if they had a copy of my CV. Fortunately for me I always print a few copies for interviews just in case. The CV which I submitted to the recruiting agency and the one the interviewer had were very different. I was suddenly an expert in X509 when in reality I could barely spell it. It was the end of the formal interview but all had a good laugh about it. I doubt the recruiter had much of a laugh as they got a nasty call from me and likely their client. Needless to say I don't work with them anymore.
I once dealt with a recruiter who would not tell me with whom I was interviewing until a day before the interview, despite the number of times I asked. (He would ONLY tell me it was "an insurance company.") And it turned out to be a company for which I had no interest in working.
Since then, I absolutely refuse to acknowledge unsolicited recruiters.
Well, an unsolicited recruiter got me a job that I'm starting today. Everything seems fine right now, except for some of the DB code, but that's why I'm here.
When you're unemployed in a foreign country, you can't get too picky on where the offers come from.
Glad you managed to get a new position. Which country you ended up on?
January 23, 2019 at 2:44 am
Over the years I've seen my fair share of oddities.
CVs being altered by the recruiter. Happened early on. 2nd IT job I had if I recall. I now take a printed copy or have it on my phone / tablet and ask if I can refer to it.
Location / company. That sadly happens a lot. Although recently recruiters do seem to be more upfront. Had an interview where I didn't know the company or location until the day before. I still went through with it, sadly, not the job as described, not in a great location and was 1 year fixed term not perm, and I wasn't near enough to commute.
Another had a telephone interview, found out the company the evening before, was in an industry I didn't want to work it - it also would have required relocation. The interviewer was only interested in asking tech questions, I just about managed to to get in a "sorry but I do need to ask one question first as I don't think this is the role for me". They were not happy when the answer did confirm my fears.
I've also been on the other side. not that I like to interview people. Seen a fair share of CVs that don't match that have come via recruiters. Also witnessed some shockers during the interview.
I worked for a telco many years ago. The bonus was only paid out once when I was there (4 years). People booked holidays, bought cars based on getting it. I learnt a good lesson there.
Whenever a recruiter says something like yes well the bonus will take you over what you are asking for salary wise - if its a perm role... My reply sorry its a called a bonus for a reason. I don't take that into account. or a variation of that!
Its a funny old game, as the saying goes. 😀
Rodders...
January 23, 2019 at 6:08 am
Grant Fritchey - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:54 PMRay K - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:59 AMI once dealt with a recruiter who would not tell me with whom I was interviewing until a day before the interview, despite the number of times I asked. (He would ONLY tell me it was "an insurance company.") And it turned out to be a company for which I had no interest in working.Since then, I absolutely refuse to acknowledge unsolicited recruiters.
I had a recruiter ask me what my bottom line was. I told them. They came back with an offer that was substantially below it. I said "No thanks" and the recruiter got extremely upset with me. Company also called me up, pissed. I told them why. They said, "Oh, but you'll make that up in bonuses." I talked to their people. No bonuses were ever delivered.
Funny enough, the reason I thought of that one is because the company is notorious in our area. They've burned through DBA talent like you wouldn't believe (combination of extremely challenging environment, in the best sense, and a challenging environment, in the worst sense). So, I get recruiters calling me for a hedge fund. I ask, "Is it this one?" They're like "Well, we can't tell you." So I say "Fine, but if it is so&so Hedge Fund, I've already turned them down once and they really dislike me. You may want to consider whether or not you want to send my resume in." Half the recruiters say, oh, well, it is them. The other half just say "Well, never mind then." And I know it's them, because otherwise, why would they not take you.
Oh, and just so we're clear since my co-workers are all here, this happened before my glorious job at Redgate.
This isn't the one that begins with a B, is it? Ugh, that place.
I completely agree that bonuses are exactly that; payment on top of your other earnings. When I ask for the basic salary, don't try to inflate it by added a bonus figure that is probably fictional and certainly not contractual. If I find out at the end of the process that the actual salary is £20K less than I thought, I'm not exactly going to sign any contracts, am I?
January 23, 2019 at 7:27 am
Luis Cazares - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:59 PMWell, an unsolicited recruiter got me a job that I'm starting today. Everything seems fine right now, except for some of the DB code, but that's why I'm here.
When you're unemployed in a foreign country, you can't get too picky on where the offers come from.
Glad to hear that Luis. Sorry I couldn't shake something out for you. We've had a string of bad apples that have soured management on trying anything other than someone in their office.
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January 23, 2019 at 7:38 am
Sean Lange - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:54 AMI had a recruiter once add abilities to my CV that I didn't possess. The job required some super deep knowledge of X509 to write a bunch of security stuff. When the recruiter asked if I knew anything about X509 I told them it is the standard for SSL but I didn't know much about how it works. When I got to the interview they started asking me all sorts of questions about how to handle various security aspects and how the relate to X509. Needless to say I had no answer to the question other than "I don't know". After 4-5 of these questions and me clearly have no idea of how it worked the interviewer asked me why I had inflated my CV to include stuff I clearly know nothing about. I was surprised to say the least and ask if they had a copy of my CV. Fortunately for me I always print a few copies for interviews just in case. The CV which I submitted to the recruiting agency and the one the interviewer had were very different. I was suddenly an expert in X509 when in reality I could barely spell it. It was the end of the formal interview but all had a good laugh about it. I doubt the recruiter had much of a laugh as they got a nasty call from me and likely their client. Needless to say I don't work with them anymore.
I had a similar incident back in the late 90's. Took a day off from my employer at the time, drove over 2 hours for the interview. Got questions about stuff I didn't know, the recruiter had added skills to my resume. Huge waste of my time and that's why I refuse to work with recruiters.
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January 23, 2019 at 7:50 am
frederico_fonseca - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:01 PMLuis Cazares - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:59 PMWell, an unsolicited recruiter got me a job that I'm starting today. Everything seems fine right now, except for some of the DB code, but that's why I'm here.
When you're unemployed in a foreign country, you can't get too picky on where the offers come from.Glad you managed to get a new position. Which country you ended up on?
I managed to stay in Atlanta, so USA.
Although, one recruiter insisted on me changing my resume to add abilities and relocate.
January 23, 2019 at 9:50 am
Beatrix Kiddo - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:08 AMThis isn't the one that begins with a B, is it? Ugh, that place.I completely agree that bonuses are exactly that; payment on top of your other earnings. When I ask for the basic salary, don't try to inflate it by added a bonus figure that is probably fictional and certainly not contractual. If I find out at the end of the process that the actual salary is £20K less than I thought, I'm not exactly going to sign any contracts, am I?
Nope. Starts with a different letter.
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January 23, 2019 at 10:23 am
Luis Cazares - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:50 AMI managed to stay in Atlanta, so USA.
Although, one recruiter insisted on me changing my resume to add abilities and relocate.
That's good to hear, Luis. I know you were really happy in Atlanta, so I'm glad you got to stay there.
January 24, 2019 at 2:04 am
Grant Fritchey - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:50 AMBeatrix Kiddo - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:08 AMThis isn't the one that begins with a B, is it? Ugh, that place.I completely agree that bonuses are exactly that; payment on top of your other earnings. When I ask for the basic salary, don't try to inflate it by added a bonus figure that is probably fictional and certainly not contractual. If I find out at the end of the process that the actual salary is £20K less than I thought, I'm not exactly going to sign any contracts, am I?
Nope. Starts with a different letter.
Oh dear; the one that starts with a B uses DBAs up and spits them out too.
January 24, 2019 at 6:21 am
Beatrix Kiddo - Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:04 AMOh dear; the one that starts with a B uses DBAs up and spits them out too.
This other one does the same. I know an MVP they convinced to move from consulting to full time with them who then subsequently quit (after years of consulting for them, it was actually funny). It's weird how a business can get a reputation. It's also weird that businesses think that employees don't talk to each other and their friends. Ah well. It all helps keep things interesting.
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January 24, 2019 at 6:30 am
Grant Fritchey - Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:21 AMThis other one does the same. I know an MVP they convinced to move from consulting to full time with them who then subsequently quit (after years of consulting for them, it was actually funny). It's weird how a business can get a reputation. It's also weird that businesses think that employees don't talk to each other and their friends. Ah well. It all helps keep things interesting.
The suspense is killing me! Someone please PM me the company name!!
I know a company beginning with A that Rodney and numerous other SSC lurkers have worked for and left earlier than company A might have liked...
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