August 19, 2010 at 9:31 pm
jcrawf02 (8/19/2010)
Grant Fritchey (8/19/2010)
GilaMonster (8/19/2010)
Trey Staker (8/19/2010)
What are peoples thoughts on the remaining 5 candidates? The only one I really know anything about is Andy Warren.I know Geoff fairly well. He's an awesome guy. From southern USA, passionate, outspoken (blunt), absolute gentleman, dependable. Goes by the nick SQLCraftsman, which you may have encountered before.
Agreed. Geoff is a good guy. I'm just gobsmacked if I can figure out how he's more qualified than Steve. I'm not saying he isn't qualified, but somehow he is MORE qualified than Mr. Jones. That one just floors me.
You know, I'd be interested to know the order they interviewed in, sometimes there's an unconscious bias when you rank people like that, because you tend to start in the middle range so that you have room to rank others both higher and lower, and then adjust your scores for others according to what you THINK you ranked before. Hard to justify going back and actually changing a score for someone based on what you scored someone else, and consequently that can screw things up. that's been my experience when we tried to do that for interviewing anyway.
Not saying it did, no way to really tell that, just wondering.
I always like to interview first or last, but in the case of the board interviews I know that Steve and I were in the middle. Geoff happened to be the last interview. There was no bias here, PASS provided 7 times for interviews and the candidates picked 3 in order of preference and the slots were awarded on a first-come, first-serve basis.
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August 20, 2010 at 5:08 am
Grant Fritchey (8/19/2010)
Agreed. Geoff is a good guy. I'm just gobsmacked if I can figure out how he's more qualified than Steve. I'm not saying he isn't qualified, but somehow he is MORE qualified than Mr. Jones. That one just floors me.
Please don't take offense, Grant, but if I were Geoff and reading this thread, this statement would probably hurt my feelings.
I get what you're saying, and I get that everyone wants to defend Steve. I do too. But may I just point out that comparing him to the others is a little unfair to everyone involved?
I know how I'd feel in that situation. I've recently been in a similar situation in a non-SQL environment. It's very uncomfortable. Especially when the person at the center is doing his best to remain professional about the whole situation, watching everyone wag their tongues while he has to hold his. Been there, done that.
To all reading this thread:
Jack and Steve could be throwing hissy fits and using the internet to stir up the masses, but they're being very restrained and professional about the whole issue. I commend this. I wish more people were like this. As Jack, and others, have said: "The only way to fix it is to stay in PASS and keep fighting the good fight." So, let's do that. But be honest. Is continuing the discussion on this thread really going to bring these changes to PASS? Are the NomCom people even reading this thread? Wouldn't the best way to bring that change be to discuss the issues with the PASS board and NomCom directly?
Hey, there's a Summit coming up. Don't they have a membership meeting there? If so, discussions there would be much more effective than venting here. Yes?
August 20, 2010 at 6:09 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/20/2010)
Please don't take offense, Grant, but if I were Geoff and reading this thread, this statement would probably hurt my feelings.[/QUOTE]
I hear you and don't disagree. If Geoff does read this... I am sorry and I owe you an adult beverage. But I'm still where I was previously. If Steve is not qualified, and that's the end statement here, then I'm pretty hard pressed to understand who is. I'm clearly not. Most people I know are not. It's just difficult to fathom.
Yes, Jack & Steve are doing 100% the right thing, the right way. More proof that they're damn good men.
Hey, there's a Summit coming up. Don't they have a membership meeting there? If so, discussions there would be much more effective than venting here. Yes?
No, there's no membership meeting at the Summit, unless you count the Summit itself as a membership meeting. For a couple of years they had leadership meetings, but there wasn't one last year and I don't think there's going to be one this year either. Any venting will be at the personal & private level.
On to other topics...
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August 20, 2010 at 6:22 am
Jack Corbett (8/19/2010)
I always like to interview first or last, but in the case of the board interviews I know that Steve and I were in the middle. Geoff happened to be the last interview. There was no bias here, PASS provided 7 times for interviews and the candidates picked 3 in order of preference and the slots were awarded on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Sorry, didn't mean to say that I thought they specifically ordered the interviews in such a way as to introduce bias, just wondering if perhaps the ranking by score is the best way to do it. Thinking out loud more than anything, not sure there's a definitive solution either way, the NomCom had a process and they followed it.
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August 20, 2010 at 6:24 am
Brandie, it helps me personally to think things through when I see how others think about the same issues. It won't necessarily directly impact PASS, and I agree that if we need to change things we need to talk to PASS/NomCom, but I still think this is helpful.
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August 20, 2010 at 8:01 am
jcrawf02 (8/19/2010)
You know, I'd be interested to know the order they interviewed in, sometimes there's an unconscious bias when you rank people like that, because you tend to start in the middle range so that you have room to rank others both higher and lower, and then adjust your scores for others according to what you THINK you ranked before. Hard to justify going back and actually changing a score for someone based on what you scored someone else, and consequently that can screw things up. that's been my experience when we tried to do that for interviewing anyway.Not saying it did, no way to really tell that, just wondering.
I believe Jack was first, then Andy, then me, with Geoff the next week. Not sure about others. There were 4 or 5 days, and the order was driven by candidates trying to pick a time that fit their schedules.
August 20, 2010 at 8:07 am
Geoff is a good guy, headstrong, professional, and smart. I think he is an excellent choice, as is Andy, for the board.
August 20, 2010 at 8:12 am
Roy Ernest (8/19/2010)
Jeff Moden (8/18/2010)
Jeff Moden (8/17/2010)
Roy Ernest (8/17/2010)
Jeff, Thank You. Our user group would love that. maybe for September we could try that out? 🙂 Thanks once again. 🙂More info, please... Date? Time? Please put times into Eastern US time and, yes, we observe daylight savings time.
Roy... got anything on this?
Jeff, How about September 23rd? That is our usual meeting date. The fourth Thursday of every month. We usually have it at 7 PM Local time. I have to check if the Day light savings will change the time in EST. Right now we are following EST but as soon as day light change occurs, we do not change our time and that would mean it will be 6 PM EST.
Is that Ok with you? Just let me know what the topic will be. We have a mix of developers, Network Admins, DBAs and Project leads. (My CTO is usually present)
This month I am going to give them the basics of Execution plan.
Let me setup some "electronic meeting" software and test it with you before either of us commit. Other than that, the date/time will be fine. I'm meet up with you offline to exchange email addresses and telephone numbers in case the need arises.
--Jeff Moden
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August 20, 2010 at 8:36 am
Alvin Ramard (8/19/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/19/2010)
The problem with that, Alvin, is you get members who are just "sitting around" suddenly able to apply for the committee positions because they've been around for so long even though they haven't been volunteering or contributing much to the community.The PASS members would be the ones to decide if they deserve to be elected. It's not much different than the US political system. Any fool can decide to run for president (or other position). The people get to decide if he/she gets elected or not.
Ummmm.... have you actually seen some of our Presidents or some of the moroffs in Congress or the House? People do vote for fools and they many times win and some win over and over and over and...
I understand that having the incumbent board decide who the candidates will be seems an awful lot like the mouse guarding the cheese but there is a method to the madness and a charter.
PASS is NOT a democracy. It may be non-profit but it’s still a business. It still MUST make money to survive and it still MUST provide products and it has to do most all of it using only volunteer help! With that in mind, PASS is looking for “Dedicated” individuals to be on it’s team.
With that in mind, let me explain the difference between being “Dedicated” and being “Loyal” to a cause that everyone can understand…
When you think of the difference between being “Loyal” and being “Dedicated” to a cause, business, or group, you have to think of “Ham and Eggs”… The chicken was “Loyal”… the pig was “Dedicated”.
Like I said, the PASS group is NOT a democracy. It’s a business and the board has been elected to protect and serve the business. Part of their chartered task is to select/reject candidates based on how well they think the candidates will server PASS on a volunteer basis. And, they’re not looking for chickens… they want meat and bone. They want extreme dedication just like the pig because it’s not an easy job. The only way PASS will survive is through dedicated volunteers doing long hours on difficult things without much thanks.
So far as “transparency” goes, I’ll say it again… PASS is a business, not a democracy. Unless you’re on the inside, it’s way to easy to say that such a group needs to be more transparent. You try to get the general public to agree on something. We’ve already seen that go nuts on some of the more infamous threads of SSC. If you don’t think so, lookup “bankers rounding”, the discussions associated with the “quirky update”, or some of the more recent discussions on “NULLs”. THAT’s how the public runs things.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
August 20, 2010 at 8:43 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/20/2010)
To all reading this thread:Jack and Steve could be throwing hissy fits and using the internet to stir up the masses, but they're being very restrained and professional about the whole issue. I commend this. I wish more people were like this. As Jack, and others, have said: "The only way to fix it is to stay in PASS and keep fighting the good fight." So, let's do that. But be honest. Is continuing the discussion on this thread really going to bring these changes to PASS?
Heh... "Brandie for President!". Perfect words of reason and observation here.
Jack and Steve... very well done for your extreme professionalism in all of this. As I told Steve on another thread, your behaviour on all of this has been impeccable and serves well as an example to others.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
August 22, 2010 at 8:21 am
I got a big challenge for you guys.
How to link to 3500 servers (all outside your network and company) over the internet, dynamically, safely and in real time.
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic973049-1526-1.aspx
August 22, 2010 at 10:46 am
I just posted an answer. Don't know if its feasible, it was just a thought that popped up in my mind.
August 23, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Here's another big challenge which google can't seem to answer for me.
how to add a linked server from sql to windev...
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August 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm
@paul-2 - did you see your blog plug from Brent Ozar in his daily email?
Inside the Optimiser: Constructing a Plan – Paul White is writing some of the best SQL Server blog posts I’ve read in a long, long time. The guy is just on fire. This four-part series is gold.
Good going! (:blush: - I didn't even know you had a blog.)
Wayne
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August 23, 2010 at 4:22 pm
I saw that from Brent. Paul is garnering lots of respect from the other gurus.
We need to get Paul out here in the US for some event 🙂
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