Potential presentation idea: Knowing your limits: are you in over your head?

  • Ray K

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    Another possible professional development topic for people to scrutinize . . .

    There are many times when you either don't have the knowledge, insight, or interest to perform a task, yet you don't recognize it. As a result, you either (1) are incapable of doing the job, or (2) you do a shoddy or inadequate job. As a result, while you can be one of the brightest people around, you come across looking incompetent.

    So what can you do to alleviate this situation? What steps can you take to minimize your weaknesses and, instead, leverage your strengths?

    I came up with this idea through a combo of observing people's reactions and my own personal experience. This is just an idea that popped into my head, but I think it'd make a viable presentation topic. I'm still trying to figure out how this would work, but that's the gist of it so far.

    What do people think?

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  • Eirikur Eiriksson

    SSC Guru

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    First of all this topic is good, dead centre (bulls eye to the Americans) and very relevant! It goes in line with what I preach/practice "ascoltare vale piu di tante parole", to listen is worth more than one can ever say or in other words if you don't listen you don't learn.

    Maybe the challenge is to teach them how to feed them self rather than feeding them.

    😎

  • Alan Burstein

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    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    -- Alan Burstein


    Helpful links:Best practices for getting help on SQLServerCentral -- Jeff ModenHow to Post Performance Problems -- Gail ShawNasty fast set-based string manipulation functions:For splitting strings try DelimitedSplit8K or DelimitedSplit8K_LEAD (SQL Server 2012+)To split strings based on patterns try PatternSplitCMNeed to clean or transform a string? try NGrams, PatExclude8K, PatReplace8K, DigitsOnlyEE, or Translate8KI cant stress enough the importance of switching from a sequential files mindset to set-based thinking. After you make the switch, you can spend your time tuning and optimizing your queries instead of maintaining lengthy, poor-performing code.  -- Itzik Ben-Gan 2001

  • Jeff Moden

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    Based on the last decade of interviews I've conducted...

    I think a huge part of people's ineptitude and some of the really beginner questions come from the fact that 1) BOL is no longer part of the installation package, 2) a lot of people don't even know what it is, 3) aren't willing to spend any time learning about "just a place to store data that isn't really a language", and 4) just want to do their time without doing the time (9-to-5 syndrome and serious lack of intellectual curiosity). They'd rather be heroes in the glory of the front-end or with the shinny new toys that seem to avoid the basics never mind anything that actually requires skill on the SQL Server side.

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
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    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
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  • Ray K

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    I freely admit that I, myself, am one of the worst offenders of this syndrome (or whatever you want to call it), and I've only recently started to come to grips with it. This realization is giving me a better sense of direction and purpose, and I think it'll make me better in the long run. (And if I can pull off this presentation, maybe I can help some other people along the way.)

    My only regret is not realizing this about ten years ago.

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  • Eirikur Eiriksson

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    Jeff Moden (5/3/2016)


    4) just want to do their time without doing the time (9-to-5 syndrome and serious lack of intellectual curiosity).

    The question or challenge must then be how to invoke the curiosity?

    😎

  • Eirikur Eiriksson

    SSC Guru

    Points: 182321

    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

  • Ray K

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    Just for grins, I looked to see if there were any topics related to this in social psychology, and came across this (yeah, I know it's Wikipedia; don't judge me).

    I'm posting this for my own reference as much as anything else.

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  • Alan Burstein

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    Points: 61006

    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    -- Alan Burstein


    Helpful links:Best practices for getting help on SQLServerCentral -- Jeff ModenHow to Post Performance Problems -- Gail ShawNasty fast set-based string manipulation functions:For splitting strings try DelimitedSplit8K or DelimitedSplit8K_LEAD (SQL Server 2012+)To split strings based on patterns try PatternSplitCMNeed to clean or transform a string? try NGrams, PatExclude8K, PatReplace8K, DigitsOnlyEE, or Translate8KI cant stress enough the importance of switching from a sequential files mindset to set-based thinking. After you make the switch, you can spend your time tuning and optimizing your queries instead of maintaining lengthy, poor-performing code.  -- Itzik Ben-Gan 2001

  • Eirikur Eiriksson

    SSC Guru

    Points: 182321

    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    The mentality of staying in your seat, keeping your head down and not rocking the boat

    😎

  • Ray K

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    Points: 31016

    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    The mentality of staying in your seat, keeping your head down and not rocking the boat

    😎

    I've come across this in my research on groupthink (which is another presentation idea I'm working on). Might be worthwhile to see if that applies here as well.

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  • Luis Cazares

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    Ray K (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    The mentality of staying in your seat, keeping your head down and not rocking the boat

    😎

    I've come across this in my research on groupthink (which is another presentation idea I'm working on). Might be worthwhile to see if that applies here as well.

    Is the expert-beginner problem[/url] part of your ideas?

    Luis C.
    General Disclaimer:
    Are you seriously taking the advice and code from someone from the internet without testing it? Do you at least understand it? Or can it easily kill your server?

    How to post data/code on a forum to get the best help: Option 1 / Option 2
  • Alan Burstein

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    Points: 61006

    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    The mentality of staying in your seat, keeping your head down and not rocking the boat

    😎

    I think I know my strengths, weaknesses and limitations, and how to communicate them. If I have a strength that I feel will make things better but isn't getting used I'll rock the boat.

    -- Alan Burstein


    Helpful links:Best practices for getting help on SQLServerCentral -- Jeff ModenHow to Post Performance Problems -- Gail ShawNasty fast set-based string manipulation functions:For splitting strings try DelimitedSplit8K or DelimitedSplit8K_LEAD (SQL Server 2012+)To split strings based on patterns try PatternSplitCMNeed to clean or transform a string? try NGrams, PatExclude8K, PatReplace8K, DigitsOnlyEE, or Translate8KI cant stress enough the importance of switching from a sequential files mindset to set-based thinking. After you make the switch, you can spend your time tuning and optimizing your queries instead of maintaining lengthy, poor-performing code.  -- Itzik Ben-Gan 2001

  • Eirikur Eiriksson

    SSC Guru

    Points: 182321

    Luis Cazares (5/3/2016)


    Ray K (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    Eirikur Eiriksson (5/3/2016)


    Alan.B (5/3/2016)


    I think this is a common problem in the data world for sure.

    It all comes down to self-awareness and communication. Knowing your strengths, weaknesses and limitations, then knowing how to communicate them.

    Isn't this another description of the "head down" problem?

    😎

    What do you mean by "head down" problem?

    The mentality of staying in your seat, keeping your head down and not rocking the boat

    😎

    I've come across this in my research on groupthink (which is another presentation idea I'm working on). Might be worthwhile to see if that applies here as well.

    Is the expert-beginner problem[/url] part of your ideas?

    Kind of an "Always done it (once)" type of thing. Back in the age of dinosaurs I was doing mountaineering, an absolute beginner (in my opinion) wrote a book on his first venture like it was something he'd do every day, needless to say I only saw him on that mountain once:-P

    😎

  • Gail Shaw

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    Ray K (5/3/2016)


    So what can you do to alleviate this situation? What steps can you take to minimize your weaknesses and, instead, leverage your strengths?

    Know a little about as much as you can.

    That's why, while I advise specialist, I also say that just specialising on one area and knowing nothing about anything around is dangerous. You need to know enough about the areas around (and very broadly around) your specialty to know what you don't know, and don't ever assume that because you know X well, that you can do Y just as well.

    Gail Shaw
    Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
    SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

    We walk in the dark places no others will enter
    We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

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