June 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm
The thing is that this is a public forum and people can Google me just as easily as I Google them. A typo I can disclaim, but willing participating in an inappropriate conversation in a public forum where anybody can read me from now to Eternity, is a little bit harder. I would hate to lose a promising candidate because she read this conversation and got the impression that I might condone it. And that is the least of the bad things that could come out of it...
To switch gears slightly, this also illustrates the down-side to listing Forums and links on your resume's: they can also see all of your mistakes and bad moments...
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June 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm
And hopefully someone who reads this forum will realize the mistake and that you didn't indulge in continuing the twisting of the mistake. Plus, if they look at what you have done in total on SSC, I think they would realize it was just that, a typo that others took advantage of in good clean fun, not meant to insult anyone.
June 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Let the record state officially that I have never observed RBarryYoung to in any way condone inappropriate behavior of this sort, and that my post relating to his unfortunate typo was derived solely from my individual sense of humor and partiality for word games.
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June 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm
jcrawf02 (6/9/2009)
Someday I'll learn how to write English that actually makes sense. What I was trying to say was that you could potentially find someone you were interviewing in SA by googling
It's possible, but much less likely than in the US or Europe (for eg). Internet access is less prevalent here and a much smaller percentage of people have online presence.
I did have one case where I interviewed someone and judged him as a borderline candidate. When he came back for the technical test a week later he told me that he'd googled my name to see what kind of people he would be working with, and he was very excited to possibly have the opportunity to work with me and learn from me (his words).
The tech test showed him to be borderline as well, but he was the best of the candidates we'd seen so we offered him the job. He turned it down, because his current company had offered him a raise if he would stay.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
June 9, 2009 at 3:45 pm
jcrawf02 (6/9/2009)
Let the record state officially that I have never observed RBarryYoung to in any way condone inappropriate behavior of this sort, and that my post relating to his unfortunate typo was derived solely from my individual sense of humor and partiality for word games.
Thanks.
[font="Times New Roman"]-- RBarryYoung[/font], [font="Times New Roman"] (302)375-0451[/font] blog: MovingSQL.com, Twitter: @RBarryYoung[font="Arial Black"]
Proactive Performance Solutions, Inc. [/font][font="Verdana"] "Performance is our middle name."[/font]
June 9, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (6/8/2009)
In my presentation this past weekend in Florida, someone asked if I thought recruiters or HR people would look over forum postings when considering a candidate for a job. My response was I didn't think it was likely unless someone had put in on their resume.I'm wondering if you regulars agree, or if you would put your efforts here or elsewher on your resume? Would you call them out in an interview?
I have, as an FYI.
I list my "Author" page here on my resume... this way I only need one line, and if they go visit it, they can see all of the articles that I have written. And prominently on this page is the Ratings given to each of the articles, and the number of times they have been read.
In the last several interviews I've been to, these articles have been mentioned several times.
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
June 9, 2009 at 7:09 pm
jcrawf02 (6/9/2009)
Let the record state officially that I have never observed RBarryYoung to in any way condone inappropriate behavior of this sort, and that my post relating to his unfortunate typo was derived solely from my individual sense of humor and partiality for word games.
Heh... I don't know about all of that... the man puts up with me. 😛
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
June 9, 2009 at 7:12 pm
GilaMonster (6/9/2009)
He turned it down, because his current company had offered him a raise if he would stay.
Yowch! I have some pretty strong feelings about that. I believe that's usually a very bad idea.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
June 10, 2009 at 1:48 am
Jeff Moden (6/9/2009)
GilaMonster (6/9/2009)
He turned it down, because his current company had offered him a raise if he would stay.Yowch! I have some pretty strong feelings about that. I believe that's usually a very bad idea.
I believe so too.
The guy was nothing special. Below average in technical areas, he couldn't answer some of my favourite interview questions, he scored below the pass mark (50%) on the tech test (which is open book and with internet access available). I had to justify to my boss and his boss why we should offer him at all and my motivation was that he was keen to learn.
If he had joined he's have been working with me for about 5 months while I taught him everything I could about performance tuning and then he would have had my job (I was already planning on leaving at that time)
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
June 10, 2009 at 2:58 am
GilaMonster (6/10/2009)
Jeff Moden (6/9/2009)
GilaMonster (6/9/2009)
He turned it down, because his current company had offered him a raise if he would stay.Yowch! I have some pretty strong feelings about that. I believe that's usually a very bad idea.
I believe so too.
The guy was nothing special. Below average in technical areas, he couldn't answer some of my favourite interview questions, he scored below the pass mark (50%) on the tech test (which is open book and with internet access available). I had to justify to my boss and his boss why we should offer him at all and my motivation was that he was keen to learn.
If he had joined he's have been working with me for about 5 months while I taught him everything I could about performance tuning and then he would have had my job (I was already planning on leaving at that time)
I used to have strong feeling against it, but I have to admit that I don't see it as black and white anymore. When I have to choose a job I have few considerations. Part of the considerations is the payment that I get. Another part is the professional side (e.g. Will this job be challenging or boring? How much will I learn and advance from this job? How much knowledge will I gain from the experience at that job? Etc'). I admit that whenever I was looking for a new job, I never took the one that gave me the best financial offer (like I said the financial side is just a part of the considerations), but I did turn down some offers that offered me a very low payment and not because I felt that professionally it would be a mistake to work there.
Adi
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