August 31, 2015 at 7:27 am
My Win 7 machine's got to the point of bluescreening about once ever 2 days with a System Service Exception (or something like that), so it's going to have to be upgraded soon. Not September though. With 3 SQLSaturdays, one academic conference I'll be surprised if I get anything done next month.
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August 31, 2015 at 7:35 am
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.
I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
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August 31, 2015 at 8:20 am
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
It really sounds like it was ready for production. :w00t: I think I'll wait.
August 31, 2015 at 8:25 am
Ed Wagner (8/31/2015)
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
It really sounds like it was ready for production. :w00t: I think I'll wait.
Ditto. OUCH.
EDIT: But then again that sleep / hibernation thing sounds like VISTA business. That's an issue I ran into back in the day.
August 31, 2015 at 8:42 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2015)
Ed Wagner (8/31/2015)
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
It really sounds like it was ready for production. :w00t: I think I'll wait.
Ditto. OUCH.
EDIT: But then again that sleep / hibernation thing sounds like VISTA business. That's an issue I ran into back in the day.
Nothing like fixed bugs reappearing in later versions. Maybe somebody forgot to update from version control before starting some new code.
One thing that actually doesn't totally suck is the IE "replacement" browser. In my testing it seems to load most pages a bit faster than FF or Chrome. Of course that is probably because it doesn't as much information that would be useful for debugging. It also seems they may have finally resolved most of the stupid IE issues with page layout using the same code. We have a few sites that just basically don't work in IE and they seem to function as expected with Edge.
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August 31, 2015 at 8:46 am
I did the Win10 upgrade on my personal laptop (originally running 8.1 Pro) and it went fairly quick and pain-free. But, I had nuked and reloaded the laptop prior which likely helped a lot.
My desktop on the other hand (Win8.1 Pro also) is proving to be a royal PITA. I've tried running the upgrade 3 times now, each time it's gone for over 12 hours before finally failing. It has rolled back to 8.1 each time without problems, but I'm thinking to get the upgrade to take I'm going to need to nuke it to 8.1, don't load anything except OS updates until it gets offered the 10 upgrade, then upgrade...
August 31, 2015 at 8:54 am
Interesting W10 experiences. I did my homebuilt desktop first, and it went smoothly. A mouse driver seemed a little flaky with hesitations, but otherwise the W8.1-> 10 had no issues, including with services.
I did my Portege z30 the next week and no issues there. Everything seems to be fine other than it's a touch slower. Just a touch and mostly with the UI interaction.
August 31, 2015 at 9:00 am
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
I had that issue with my Asus with 8.1 Pro if it slept too long. Haven't seen it yet with 10.
August 31, 2015 at 9:01 am
A question for those who have upgraded to Windows 10 and have SQL and Visual Studio installed:
What the total size of the Windows and 2 Program Files directories?
I'm trying to decide whether I get an SSD for boot drive and, if so, how big it has to be.
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August 31, 2015 at 9:31 am
GilaMonster (8/31/2015)
A question for those who have upgraded to Windows 10 and have SQL and Visual Studio installed:What the total size of the Windows and 2 Program Files directories?
I'm trying to decide whether I get an SSD for boot drive and, if so, how big it has to be.
Unfortunately, can't help. I'm running Windows 10, but all my stuff is on a VM running 2012 on the Windows 10 box.
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August 31, 2015 at 9:46 am
Desktop
Windows: 38.2GB
Program Files: 12.8GB
Program Files (x86): 21GB
Lots of crap here though.
Laptop (< 1yr old)
Windows: 33.5GB
Program Files: 3.75GB
Program Files (x86): 11.9GB
These are both VS2013. Need to upgrade.
August 31, 2015 at 10:07 am
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
I've seen the same, or a close alternate where the screen activates and parks me on the "please wait" spinning icon forever. I've changed my desktop power setting to just kill the monitor, but not put the disk drives to sleep as a result.
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August 31, 2015 at 10:17 am
Matt Miller (#4) (8/31/2015)
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
I've seen the same, or a close alternate where the screen activates and parks me on the "please wait" spinning icon forever. I've changed my desktop power setting to just kill the monitor, but not put the disk drives to sleep as a result.
Does that "fix" the problem? I am not sure I want to consume that much power and this is my home machine and sometimes it sits 2-3 days without touching it. Maybe I just need to get in the habit of shutting it down when I leave it.
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August 31, 2015 at 10:56 am
Luis Cazares (8/31/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2015)
I am planning to upgrade at least one of my machines. Haven't decided if it'll be the 8.1 or 7. But I'm waiting to hear feed back from everyone else on upgrade issues. Probably do it in late October.
My advice, upgrade the 8.1. Just a personal preference, but I prefer 7 to 8.1. And if you're concerned about privacy, 7 seems like a better option.
7 is many times better as an option. Win10 has serious privacy issues. If privacy is not a concern, go ahead.
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August 31, 2015 at 10:59 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2015)
Ed Wagner (8/31/2015)
Sean Lange (8/31/2015)
Grant Fritchey (8/31/2015)
For the upgrade to 10, I think I'd suggest holding off a while. I'm seeing occasional errors: faulty_hardware_corrupted_page. From the Microsoft forums, quite a few others are as well. Seems to cut across the hardware spectrum, Asus, Dell, Toshiba, so it's probably not a proprietary driver. It seems to be something in the OS. One or two more updates before I'd suggest installing it.I did the inplace upgrade on a desktop at home. Generally it works quite well. I have noticed one thing that is really strange. If the computer goes to sleep about half of the time when it wakes up again it will have hundreds of instances of Windows Explorer running each consuming around 4MB of memory. It will use up around 6-8GB total with these threads running. I tried a couple time to kill them but they are like tribbles. There seems to be no end without a reboot.
Another thing that is strange is that it sometimes won't wake up. I can lights on the mouse and keyboard but no amount of movement or key mashing seems to wake Win10 from its deep slumber. I have to do a hard reboot.
It really sounds like it was ready for production. :w00t: I think I'll wait.
Ditto. OUCH.
EDIT: But then again that sleep / hibernation thing sounds like VISTA business. That's an issue I ran into back in the day.
Yup, that was a problem in Vista and Millenium. And we all know how well those turned out. 😉
I have yet to see that issue in Win 7 or 8.1.
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