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Interesting fact: Historically, it used to be in the UK that people drank more beer than water as it was sterile and the water was contaminated. 😀 Those were the days!I still do that, just in case... 😉
😀 at least im not alone
I used to do it, but I've switched to red wine now.
Me, too. Beer has too masny calories and I have to watch that.
So you are those guys with the red teeth and lips? 🙂
Wine, beer ugh. Give me good old Kentucky Burbon on the rocks ,, no water no soda .. now that is a drink fit for the Gods
I agree, Hades and Ophielia definately need something to drink. Ugh. I'm afraid I'll have to pass on your Bourbon.
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February 10, 2012 at 6:01 am
Couple of weeks back I told you all that I got a great review from work. Now they have changed my role. They want me to manage more things than just the DB.
I am not sure I am liking this new role. In this role, I get 10% time to work on DB and the rest is spend on meeting. 🙁
How does everyone else handle this situation?
-Roy
February 10, 2012 at 6:42 am
Roy Ernest (2/10/2012)
Couple of weeks back I told you all that I got a great review from work. Now they have changed my role. They want me to manage more things than just the DB.I am not sure I am liking this new role. In this role, I get 10% time to work on DB and the rest is spend on meeting. 🙁
How does everyone else handle this situation?
Let them know you're not happy with the change of role and see if they'll work with you on it.
Managers tend to spend a lot of time in meetings. Nature of the beast. Is that what they're promoting you to?
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February 10, 2012 at 6:55 am
Roy Ernest (2/10/2012)
Couple of weeks back I told you all that I got a great review from work. Now they have changed my role. They want me to manage more things than just the DB.I am not sure I am liking this new role. In this role, I get 10% time to work on DB and the rest is spend on meeting. 🙁
How does everyone else handle this situation?
Might I suggest gently and carefully. Evaluate the meetings, and determine if anyone invited but does not attend some specific meeting is he/she critized for not doing so. Agreed that is easy to say and may be difficult to ascertain. But it may give you a path to follow.
Alternatively sit down with your boss and again gently and carefully ask for advice. Now everyone loves to give advice (witness this post, am I not doing just that?). In the discussions with your boss, you could point out that your DBA duties may interfere with meeting attendance and how should you handle that situation.
Again consider is your new position a step up the management level, and the opportunity for further advancement and commensurate increases in salary. It could lead to a brighter future, and a higher standard of living. So you need to do a great deal of soul searching and discussion with your most important partner (your family).
Again the flip side, to ask to return to being just a DBA, it might mark you as a "non player" one not interested in doing what is best for the company. A mark that will definitely be a black mark and forever bar you from advancement, and any significant increases in income.
Roy I know that this may not assist you at all, but rather make it more difficult for you to make a decision, and for that I apologize in advance.
February 10, 2012 at 7:22 am
Good advice from Ron. I might also say give it a chance, and let some of the DBA stuff go. Or let it happen slower. They may decide to move you back a bit, but I wouldn't end up working 20 more hours a week and trying to handle both jobs.
February 10, 2012 at 7:34 am
Just my 2p. I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago and thought I'd miss having my head stuck in code/administration 8 hours a day and that I'd lose my technical skills/they'd go out of date.
I gave it a go anyway as the pay was a lot better and to get more involved in shaping strategy and I'd probably never go back. I find it quite rewarding to only dip in ocasionally and instead, get involved in shaping all the business requirements and directing my team to follow best practice.
If anything, I get more time now to concentrate on future technologies as I'm constantly looking at how to deliver stuff from a higher level, rather than being prescribed a platform/architecture from someone else.
February 10, 2012 at 10:26 am
Roy Ernest (2/10/2012)
Couple of weeks back I told you all that I got a great review from work. Now they have changed my role. They want me to manage more things than just the DB.I am not sure I am liking this new role. In this role, I get 10% time to work on DB and the rest is spend on meeting. 🙁
How does everyone else handle this situation?
Roy,
I think you've already gotten some great advice. I think you have to determine where you want to go with your career before you make any decisions. There is definitely a ceiling to how high you can go in both salary and position and still be in the technology every day, so if you want to continue to advance you may have to let go of the day to day technology side of things and start working at the management/strategic level. You really have to know what you want and then talk to your boss specifically about it. If you can't let go of the technical side, then you probably shouldn't be in the new position because you'll be miserable, but if you can embrace the new role like Howard has, then you may find out things are better.
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February 10, 2012 at 10:35 am
So I tried upping my activity lately to try to stay ahead of Paul on the total point count, but he has passed me. Congrats Paul.
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February 10, 2012 at 11:38 am
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So I tried upping my activity lately to try to stay ahead of Paul on the total point count, but he has passed me. Congrats Paul.
Congrats to Paul.
After passing Johan (ALZDBA), the first Belgian on the list until now, I'm in hot pursuit of Lowell.
I'll catch him in a year or so 🙂
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February 10, 2012 at 12:04 pm
February 10, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I'd like to nominate Sean Lange for "Patient Retries Of The Same Explanation Over a Two Day Period" Award for today ...
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx"> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx
When I read the OP, I was going to suggest the same design change as Sean did, but I suspect I'd have gotten no further because of (I suspect) the language issue.
I know that the gurus criticize themselves for losing their tempers sometimes, so this is a good example of patience under fire 🙂
Steve
February 10, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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I'd like to nominate Sean Lange for "Patient Retries Of The Same Explanation Over a Two Day Period" Award for today ...http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx"> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx
When I read the OP, I was going to suggest the same design change as Sean did, but I suspect I'd have gotten no further because of (I suspect) the language issue.
I know that the gurus criticize themselves for losing their tempers sometimes, so this is a good example of patience under fire 🙂
Steve
Thanks Steve. I think the OP was probably frustrated because I never really answered his question. Instead I suggested he take a different approach entirely. /sigh Oh well, I just hope I don't have to come along after and deal with that nightmare.
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February 10, 2012 at 12:17 pm
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Worth the read: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/10/03/111003fa_fact_gawande
Sounds bit like another profession we are all familiar with. Thanks for the article.
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February 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm
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I'd like to nominate Sean Lange for "Patient Retries Of The Same Explanation Over a Two Day Period" Award for today ...http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx"> http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1249017-146-1.aspx
When I read the OP, I was going to suggest the same design change as Sean did, but I suspect I'd have gotten no further because of (I suspect) the language issue.
I know that the gurus criticize themselves for losing their tempers sometimes, so this is a good example of patience under fire 🙂
Steve
lol, but you tried, oh lord how you tried!
February 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/10/2012)
Worth the read: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/10/03/111003fa_fact_gawande
Absolutely. I enjoyed that one a lot.
BTW, since you guys have no doubt stopped laughing over my applying to the mentor program, this is what I was looking for.
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