May 23, 2011 at 3:53 pm
jcrawf02 (5/23/2011)
Not a fan of roses, Craig?
Not today, no. Was time for something different, was on my mind. However the full version of it isn't professional for here. 🙂
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May 23, 2011 at 3:53 pm
jcrawf02 (5/23/2011)
Not a fan of roses, Craig?
Maybe he is saying he doesn't smell like roses??
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May 23, 2011 at 3:55 pm
SQLRNNR (5/23/2011)
jcrawf02 (5/23/2011)
Not a fan of roses, Craig?Maybe he is saying he doesn't smell like roses??
I'm not a rose! I'm a free man!
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May 23, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Jack Corbett (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
Even non-profit can come up with pretty big chunks of cash if the need is there. I've been with a non-profit for 4 years and we've spent more on IT than in my last for-profit position.
In fact, every non-profit that I've worked for had the problem of waaayyy too much cash than can be held on the books (and maintain non-profit status), so they are anxious to spend, spend, spend. I've found non-profits to be generally the wealthiest business on the planet. They may cry that they don't have much cash and leverage the 'we are poor, give us a deal', but the reality is otherwise. At least the non-profits that I've bumped into over the past bunch of years. I'm doing some work for one NP now who can legally acquire SQL Server 2008 for $250. Zoinks! That's just a little more than the Developer addition. And no, they are not a 'tech' NP where they might qualify for the Action Pack or something like that.
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May 23, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Jim Murphy (5/23/2011)
Jack Corbett (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
Even non-profit can come up with pretty big chunks of cash if the need is there. I've been with a non-profit for 4 years and we've spent more on IT than in my last for-profit position.
In fact, every non-profit that I've worked for had the problem of waaayyy too much cash than can be held on the books (and maintain non-profit status), so they are anxious to spend, spend, spend. I've found non-profits to be generally the wealthiest business on the planet. They may cry that they don't have much cash and leverage the 'we are poor, give us a deal', but the reality is otherwise. At least the non-profits that I've bumped into over the past bunch of years. I'm doing some work for one NP now who can legally acquire SQL Server 2008 for $250. Zoinks! That's just a little more than the Developer addition. And no, they are not a 'tech' NP where they might qualify for the Action Pack or something like that.
I think I am a non-profit. I should qualify too. 😀
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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May 23, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Craig Farrell (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
From what I could gather, management expects the employee to be able to do the work, he can't, doesn't want to admit that, wants help quietly.
Is it bad that my first reaction to that is "I guess the wolves will eat well, soon."?
No. Not at all. Wolves have to eat too 😀
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May 23, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Based on some of your latest reply I might have to re-evaluate my position regarding NP organization... 😎
Regarding the specific situation: it might be better for the person in question to officially ask for support. Try to deal with the situation "undercover" would just increase the trouble e.g. the risk for that person to give a way sensitive data due to the lack of time/permission for a test setup or being called to troubleshoot a mission-critical process wit several people looking over his/her shoulder...
May 23, 2011 at 5:01 pm
LutzM (5/23/2011)
Based on some of your latest reply I might have to re-evaluate my position regarding NP organization... 😎Regarding the specific situation: it might be better for the person in question to officially ask for support. Try to deal with the situation "undercover" would just increase the trouble e.g. the risk for that person to give a way sensitive data due to the lack of time/permission for a test setup or being called to troubleshoot a mission-critical process wit several people looking over his/her shoulder...
I would agree with that.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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May 23, 2011 at 5:27 pm
If anyone wants an interesting optimization conundrum (at least to me), please swing by this thread I started: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1113705-392-1.aspx
Never stop learning, even if it hurts. Ego bruises are practically mandatory as you learn unless you've never risked enough to make a mistake.
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May 23, 2011 at 6:43 pm
opc.three (5/23/2011)
Craig Farrell (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
From what I could gather, management expects the employee to be able to do the work, he can't, doesn't want to admit that, wants help quietly.
Is it bad that my first reaction to that is "I guess the wolves will eat well, soon."?
No. Not at all. Wolves have to eat too 😀
Buzzards got to eat, same as worms.
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May 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm
SQLRNNR (5/23/2011)
Jim Murphy (5/23/2011)
Jack Corbett (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
Even non-profit can come up with pretty big chunks of cash if the need is there. I've been with a non-profit for 4 years and we've spent more on IT than in my last for-profit position.
In fact, every non-profit that I've worked for had the problem of waaayyy too much cash than can be held on the books (and maintain non-profit status), so they are anxious to spend, spend, spend. I've found non-profits to be generally the wealthiest business on the planet. They may cry that they don't have much cash and leverage the 'we are poor, give us a deal', but the reality is otherwise. At least the non-profits that I've bumped into over the past bunch of years. I'm doing some work for one NP now who can legally acquire SQL Server 2008 for $250. Zoinks! That's just a little more than the Developer addition. And no, they are not a 'tech' NP where they might qualify for the Action Pack or something like that.
I think I am a non-profit. I should qualify too. 😀
No, you're a not-making-a-profit, there's a technical difference. See regulation 138.25.39/z-42 of the US code of WTF.
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May 23, 2011 at 10:14 pm
jcrawf02 (5/23/2011)
SQLRNNR (5/23/2011)
Jim Murphy (5/23/2011)
Jack Corbett (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
Just got a PM and a mail asking for some free consulting. I sympathise with people in tough situations, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to give telephonic support for free. 🙁If it would be a tough situation, there would be money available for a solution (with the exception of non-profit organizations, I guess).
Even non-profit can come up with pretty big chunks of cash if the need is there. I've been with a non-profit for 4 years and we've spent more on IT than in my last for-profit position.
In fact, every non-profit that I've worked for had the problem of waaayyy too much cash than can be held on the books (and maintain non-profit status), so they are anxious to spend, spend, spend. I've found non-profits to be generally the wealthiest business on the planet. They may cry that they don't have much cash and leverage the 'we are poor, give us a deal', but the reality is otherwise. At least the non-profits that I've bumped into over the past bunch of years. I'm doing some work for one NP now who can legally acquire SQL Server 2008 for $250. Zoinks! That's just a little more than the Developer addition. And no, they are not a 'tech' NP where they might qualify for the Action Pack or something like that.
I think I am a non-profit. I should qualify too. 😀
No, you're a not-making-a-profit, there's a technical difference. See regulation 138.25.39/z-42 of the US code of WTF.
:w00t::hehe:
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
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SQL RNNR
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May 23, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Craig Farrell (5/23/2011)
If anyone wants an interesting optimization conundrum (at least to me), please swing by this thread I started: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1113705-392-1.aspx
Swung by 🙂
May 23, 2011 at 11:41 pm
LutzM (5/23/2011)
Regarding the specific situation: it might be better for the person in question to officially ask for support. Try to deal with the situation "undercover" would just increase the trouble e.g. the risk for that person to give a way sensitive data due to the lack of time/permission for a test setup or being called to troubleshoot a mission-critical process wit several people looking over his/her shoulder...
I have advised him to speak to his boss.
The whole situation's making me slightly guilty. He's now offering to pay me out of his own pocket, which is not going to work, his billing rate is 1/4 mine, and I can't afford to do what's easily a couple weeks work for peanuts. 🙁
Gail Shaw
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May 24, 2011 at 3:57 am
GilaMonster (5/23/2011)
LutzM (5/23/2011)
Regarding the specific situation: it might be better for the person in question to officially ask for support. Try to deal with the situation "undercover" would just increase the trouble e.g. the risk for that person to give a way sensitive data due to the lack of time/permission for a test setup or being called to troubleshoot a mission-critical process wit several people looking over his/her shoulder...I have advised him to speak to his boss.
The whole situation's making me slightly guilty. He's now offering to pay me out of his own pocket, which is not going to work, his billing rate is 1/4 mine, and I can't afford to do what's easily a couple weeks work for peanuts. 🙁
I don't think there's any reason to feel guilty. Not even slightly.
However, one solution could be to help him analyzing the problem in general and show him a few scenarios how to deal with it.
Example:
If it's an issue of the general server setup including required performance tuning: get one or two consultants in to "sort the mess" and advice appropriate action. Should be a matter of a day or two for a broad overview (depending on the given situation, of course).
If it turns out to be a performance tuning issue together with a lack of experience: advice a few books, online tutorials, classes or even a few threads/articles here at SSC (I think we as a community could help to get a list of our favorite tuning threads/articles).
And if the issue turns out to be way beyond his current skills: make him aware of it. In this scenario the only appropriate advice I can think of is to ring the alarm bell a the bosses desk.
If the person already identified the need for training, I don't think that person should pay for it him/herself. The company needs to invest the money.
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