tempdb file placement

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tempdb file placement

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December 12, 2011 at 2:29 am

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Hi. I have a SAN with virtual arrays striped across all spindles. I have presented 2 * RAID 1 LUN's to SQL for tempdb placement. I have placed the log file on RAID 1a and the data file on RAID 1b.
Question: Would you place the data file on RAID 5?
Thanks,
Phil.
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Devendra Shirbad SSC-Forever Points: 42493 More actions · Answer 1

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If data must be quickly recoverable, consider mirroring the transaction log and putting the database on a RAID 5 disk. RAID 5 provides redundancy of all data on the array. This allows for a single disk to fail and be replaced most of the time without system down time. RAID 5 offers lower performance, compared to RAID 0 or RAID 1, but greater reliability and faster recovery.

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2Tall (12/12/2011)
Hi. I have a SAN with virtual arrays striped across all spindles. I have presented 2 * RAID 1 LUN's to SQL for tempdb placement. I have placed the log file on RAID 1a and the data file on RAID 1b.
Question: Would you place the data file on RAID 5?
Thanks,
Phil.

If you are specifically looking for TempDB files placement, RAID 1+0 is recommonded for them as it provides excellent reading/writing speed. RAID 1 is also good (which you have used).

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1003872 More actions · Answer 3

Dev (12/12/2011)
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If data must be quickly recoverable, consider mirroring the transaction log and putting the database on a RAID 5 disk. RAID 5 provides redundancy of all data on the array. This allows for a single disk to fail and be replaced most of the time without system down time. RAID 5 offers lower performance, compared to RAID 0 or RAID 1, but greater reliability and faster recovery.

Rumor has it that RAID 10 is much better than RAID 5 for performance and offers similar features.

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Devendra Shirbad SSC-Forever Points: 42493 More actions · Answer 4

Jeff Moden (12/12/2011)
Dev (12/12/2011)
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If data must be quickly recoverable, consider mirroring the transaction log and putting the database on a RAID 5 disk. RAID 5 provides redundancy of all data on the array. This allows for a single disk to fail and be replaced most of the time without system down time. RAID 5 offers lower performance, compared to RAID 0 or RAID 1, but greater reliability and faster recovery.
Rumor has it that RAID 10 is much better than RAID 5 for performance and offers similar features.

No Doubt on it but RAID10 is costly compared to RAID5.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 5

2Tall (12/12/2011)
Hi. I have a SAN with virtual arrays striped across all spindles. I have presented 2 * RAID 1 LUN's to SQL for tempdb placement. I have placed the log file on RAID 1a and the data file on RAID 1b.
Question: Would you place the data file on RAID 5?

Given a choice, no. It's not about disk redundancy or data recoverability (being TempDB and seeing that both RAID 1 and 5 allow for single disk failures), it's completely about performance. RAID 5 has about the worst write performance of the standard RAID levels and TempDB gets hammered on most normal implementations.

I'd strongly prefer RAID 10 or RAID 1 if given the choice. RAID 5 would be my last option.

Gail Shaw
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Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 6

Dev (12/12/2011)
Jeff Moden (12/12/2011)
Dev (12/12/2011)
per BOL:
If data must be quickly recoverable, consider mirroring the transaction log and putting the database on a RAID 5 disk. RAID 5 provides redundancy of all data on the array. This allows for a single disk to fail and be replaced most of the time without system down time. RAID 5 offers lower performance, compared to RAID 0 or RAID 1, but greater reliability and faster recovery.
Rumor has it that RAID 10 is much better than RAID 5 for performance and offers similar features.
No Doubt on it but RAID10 is costly compared to RAID5.

So's RAID 1, but for TempDB RAID 5 is about the worst possible choice (other than RAID 0). For user databases it can be fine, for TempDB, not so much.

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

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Devendra Shirbad SSC-Forever Points: 42493 More actions · Answer 7

GilaMonster (12/12/2011)
Dev (12/12/2011)
Jeff Moden (12/12/2011)
Dev (12/12/2011)
per BOL:
If data must be quickly recoverable, consider mirroring the transaction log and putting the database on a RAID 5 disk. RAID 5 provides redundancy of all data on the array. This allows for a single disk to fail and be replaced most of the time without system down time. RAID 5 offers lower performance, compared to RAID 0 or RAID 1, but greater reliability and faster recovery.
Rumor has it that RAID 10 is much better than RAID 5 for performance and offers similar features.
No Doubt on it but RAID10 is costly compared to RAID5.
So's RAID 1, but for TempDB RAID 5 is about the worst possible choice (other than RAID 0). For user databases it can be fine, for TempDB, not so much.

I didn't recommend RAID5 for TempDB. If you see my first post I highlighted its performance bottlenecks.

2Tall SSChampion Points: 14632 More actions · Answer 8

Thanks to all who have taken time to post. RAID 1 it is then.

Kind Regards,

phil.

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chetanr.jain Hall of Fame Points: 3938 More actions · Answer 9

Hello Phil,

If you do not have budget constraint, then go for Raid 10

otherwise, you already have other option

2Tall SSChampion Points: 14632 More actions · Answer 10

Thanks,

Phil.

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