February 17, 2015 at 6:14 pm
I get excited myself sometimes. I was just trying to say I have not worked with any really lazy programmers during a 20 year career. have worked with people who were not as good as they thought they were, but mostly they were trying.
I'm curious, what conditions allow the lazy programmers in?
February 17, 2015 at 6:23 pm
I have not worked with any really lazy programmers during a 20 year career.
There are just plain lazy programmers and really clever lazy programmers.
I haven't encountered too many of the former, although I've had a few who were excruciatingly slow at their work (usually due to a surfeit of conscientiousness).
The latter are usually good catches, because rather than re-inventing the wheel, they'll find something on GitHub or elsewhere in the FOSS community which fills the bill well.
February 17, 2015 at 6:28 pm
There are just plain lazy programmers and really clever lazy programmers.
I resemble that! I have a script for almost everything. I hate it when technology changes and I have to rewrite all of my scripts.
February 17, 2015 at 6:44 pm
I resemble that! I have a script for almost everything.
Great! I'll let you know when we have a programming position open!
February 17, 2015 at 11:51 pm
TomThomson (2/17/2015)
Conrad Muller (2/17/2015)
It is management that says "Just make it work and ship it!". Most developers would extend development to get it right if given the choice..Unfortunately that's not true. Developers can be the worst of this. I know from bitter experience (as a manager) that some people (some developers) don't care whether the software is secure, or works, or will screw the customer up as long as they can get management to release it so they can put it down on their CV as successfully developed and released on time. There aren't many developers with that attitude, but there are rather a lot more than none. I also know from experience (as a developer) that quite a few managers want it out the door now regardless of problems, but they tend to be less of a problem than the cowboy developers for two reasons: (i) the next step up the tree will usually drop on them like a ton of bricks when the developers pass the information up past them, and (ii) they actually less common than cowboy developers.
Actually until I retired I had an intense hate of non-technical managers who took decisions without taking advice when they were incapable of understanding the issues, and an even more intense haste of technical managers who deliberately took the wrong decision when they knew it was wrong in the hope of collecting brownie points in the short term and escaping the long term fall out. But I hated the developers who didn't give a damn for quality yet more that I hated those managers.
Unfortunately, I have found that my own experience is a reflection of Tom's.
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
February 17, 2015 at 11:54 pm
GoofyGuy (2/17/2015)
... while you can blame (more senior) managers for letting them get away with it (if/when that happens) you usually can't blame those managers for recruiting them in the first place (I've never had a job where I recruited all my subordinates).Nor have I. But I've had opportunities to fire a few of them.
Sometimes, I recognise, it's not possible for legal or political reasons to let staffers go; but I can certainly make them wish they'd go.
It may take a little longer that way, but the bad apples eventually get the message and roll toward the door.
People know when they are not wanted and it is human nature to desire to be accepted and I have found that it overrides and stubbornness in the long run.
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
February 17, 2015 at 11:58 pm
GoofyGuy (2/17/2015)
... how does the bar food compare to the burgers, pizza, and chicken wings here in the US ?An interesting question!
I suppose one might take the easy way out, and say food is a matter of taste (and familiarity).
Another easy out would be for me to admit I adore American 'fun food' like burgers, pizza, and chicken wings. (My doctor, in contrast, is not as impressed.)
But, despite the jokes you may have heard about the (lack of decent) cooking in the UK, traditional British 'pub grub' I find hearty and satisfying fare. I particularly like Cornish pasties with my porters and stouts.
Simply put, sir: I like both 'cuisines' very much!
...food? Whilst drinking? You need nothing beyond a packet of pork scratchings to make you need another pint to wash them down. The real McCoy mind. None of the mass produced rubbish!!!
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
February 18, 2015 at 12:21 am
djackson 22568 (2/17/2015).............
Also, I doubt most breaches are reported. At a conference I attended on security, about 1% of the people in the room thought it necessary to contact authorities for issues as serious as child porn being found on company computers, and threats of massive armed violence! The other 99% felt it was perfectly OK to let HR handle it, or the company security staff. This despite the fact that an FBI agent was present and explaining why we need to involve them. I particularly liked his response to the person who asked why he couldn't just delete what he found instead of calling the FBI - "How do you like wearing orange?"
I thought that in the USA there was supposed to be disclosure to data breaches?
February 18, 2015 at 1:36 am
Yet Another DBA (2/18/2015)
djackson 22568 (2/17/2015).............
Also, I doubt most breaches are reported. At a conference I attended on security, about 1% of the people in the room thought it necessary to contact authorities for issues as serious as child porn being found on company computers, and threats of massive armed violence! The other 99% felt it was perfectly OK to let HR handle it, or the company security staff. This despite the fact that an FBI agent was present and explaining why we need to involve them. I particularly liked his response to the person who asked why he couldn't just delete what he found instead of calling the FBI - "How do you like wearing orange?"
I thought that in the USA there was supposed to be disclosure to data breaches?
Hence the question regarding wearing orange i.e. prison uniform 😉
Gaz
-- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!
February 18, 2015 at 2:53 am
Eric M Russell (2/17/2015)
GoofyGuy (2/17/2015)
It eliminates the need to eat.Liquid bread, it is!
Which makes we wonder: Maybe Brits do have better beer options in a typical bar, but how does the bar food compare to the burgers, pizza, and chicken wings here in the US ?
I'm going to admit to being fond of the super hopped US IPA type beers, and sometimes drink them bottled, or draught beers which have taken an influence from them over here.
Pub food these days in the UK is definitely a step up these days though. Of course you can get fast food etc but I had (for instance) a fantastic Osso Bucco with garlic mash and so forth the other day, fairly economically. Since the smoking ban pubs have tended to need to attract a family audience for food to make money and competition is fierce. The range, quality and value is better than I ever remember.
February 18, 2015 at 6:27 am
Conrad Muller (2/17/2015)
It is management that says "Just make it work and ship it!". Most developers would extend development to get it right if given the choice..
In my experience that's by no means always the case, frankly. There are actually plenty of developers quite happy to chuck all kinds of shoddy bug-laden cr@p out of the door.
I'm a DBA.
I'm not paid to solve problems. I'm paid to prevent them.
February 18, 2015 at 7:25 am
Yet Another DBA (2/18/2015)
djackson 22568 (2/17/2015).............
Also, I doubt most breaches are reported. At a conference I attended on security, about 1% of the people in the room thought it necessary to contact authorities for issues as serious as child porn being found on company computers, and threats of massive armed violence! The other 99% felt it was perfectly OK to let HR handle it, or the company security staff. This despite the fact that an FBI agent was present and explaining why we need to involve them. I particularly liked his response to the person who asked why he couldn't just delete what he found instead of calling the FBI - "How do you like wearing orange?"
I thought that in the USA there was supposed to be disclosure to data breaches?
It is also against the law to kill and steal, but people do it. Laws don't prevent anything, they discourage. Governments and corporations across the entire globe openly cheat, lie and steal. Why would we think passing a law is going to stop that.
Target is a good example - they were perfectly aware of the risk and did nothing to stop it. Does anyone really believe that companies like that wouldn't hide breaches if they think they can get away with it. Steve commented on what are the most common reported breaches, I think it is safe to say that reported does not equate to actual.
Dave
February 18, 2015 at 7:32 am
call.copse (2/18/2015)
Eric M Russell (2/17/2015)
GoofyGuy (2/17/2015)
It eliminates the need to eat.Liquid bread, it is!
Which makes we wonder: Maybe Brits do have better beer options in a typical bar, but how does the bar food compare to the burgers, pizza, and chicken wings here in the US ?
I'm going to admit to being fond of the super hopped US IPA type beers, and sometimes drink them bottled, or draught beers which have taken an influence from them over here.
Pub food these days in the UK is definitely a step up these days though. Of course you can get fast food etc but I had (for instance) a fantastic Osso Bucco with garlic mash and so forth the other day, fairly economically. Since the smoking ban pubs have tended to need to attract a family audience for food to make money and competition is fierce. The range, quality and value is better than I ever remember.
I like SeetWater IPA. It's local here to Atlanta, I can see the brewery from my office. As for bar food, bread or sweet food doesn't pair well with beer. I prefer something like salty peanuts or fried chicken wings with celery sticks. I'll also drink a couple of beers with a steak dinner.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
February 18, 2015 at 7:53 am
djackson 22568 (2/18/2015)
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It is also against the law to kill and steal, but people do it. Laws don't prevent anything, they discourage. Governments and corporations across the entire globe openly cheat, lie and steal. Why would we think passing a law is going to stop that.
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There are a lot of people involved in the industry of identity theft: counting everyone from the hackers who intially steal the data, to the middle men who post it for sale on the web, to the end consumers who use the stolen credit card data. There are far too many of this style crook to contain them in our crowded prison systems without releasing violent criminals to make more room.
There also happens to be a lot of infrastructure projects going on here in the US. State and local governments pay construction crews $$$,$$$,$$$ to dig ditches and lay fibere optic cable. However, I'd instead like too see convicted hackers pressed into service doing that grunt work. The script kiddies can do it all for free while tethered together "chain gang" style. Let them dig ditches for three years or so, from sun up to sun down, living in tent cities without access to computers or the internet. That should make a big impression on them; giving them time to think and grow up.
"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho
February 18, 2015 at 9:17 am
Since the smoking ban pubs have tended to need to attract a family audience for food to make money and competition is fierce. The range, quality and value is better than I ever remember.
Another bit that's contributed to better pub food is the EU: specifically, immigration of people from the Continent, who know how to cook well. I was staying in Earls Court (one of my favourite London neighbourhoods) a few years ago, and couldn't believe the range and quality of the restaurant offerings - and not just at pubs.
The smoking ban no doubt has helped as well, although I confess to having mixed feelings about it. (Accuse me of name-dropping, but Nigel Farage and I are old chums.)
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