option (LOOP JOIN) slow

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option (LOOP JOIN) slow

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July 28, 2008 at 6:27 am

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I have a query not overly complex a few joins
addresses addss with(nolock),
roles roles with(nolock),
patients patnt with(nolock)
AND addss.addss_refno = roles.addss_refno
AND roles.patnt_refno = patnt.patnt_refno
Has a distinct in the select and a few and or conditions PLUS ‘option (LOOP JOIN)’
It takes 3 minutes to run BUT if I remove the ‘option (LOOP JOIN)’ is completes in 20 seconds, what is happening what is ‘option (LOOP JOIN)’? Is obsolete if I specify inner joins? Ie
addresses addss
inner join roles roles on addss.addss_refno = roles.addss_refno
inner join patients patnt on roles.patnt_refno = patnt.patnt_refno
Many thanks

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Jack Corbett SSC Guru Points: 184393 More actions · Answer 1

It is not a best practice to add index and join hints to queries in SQL Server. With each release the Query Processor has gotten better and usually makes better choices than you can in regard to execution plans. Compare the execution plans for the 2 queries (with and without the hint) and you'll see vast differences I am sure.

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Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 2

There are three different ways that the query processor can implement joins, loop, merge, hash. They're each good in specific conditions. If you use a hint, you are forcing the optimiser to use a join type that may not be optimal for this query.

Rather stay away from any form of query hint unless you know exactly what it's doing and you are 100% sure you know better than the query optimiser.

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SwePeso SSC-Dedicated Points: 39752 More actions · Answer 3

Here is a lot to read for you.

Start at the bottom

http://blogs.msdn.com/craigfr/archive/tags/Joins/default.aspx

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TheSQLGuru SSC Guru Points: 134017 More actions · Answer 4

It takes 3 minutes to run BUT if I remove the ‘option (LOOP JOIN)’ is completes in 20 seconds, what is happening what is ‘option (LOOP JOIN)’? Is obsolete if I specify inner joins? Ie

Since you make a statement like that it is pretty obvious that you have a limited amount of knowledge of the inner workings of the optimizer. Thus I STRONGLY recommend that you do not use hints of any kind. I would even go so far as to say you should review all of the other code you have done for optimizer hints and test removing hints in them too.

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Joe Clifford SSCrazy Eights Points: 8739 More actions · Answer 5

Ahh, the joys of trying to outguess nearly 20 years of SQL optimizer code - very rarely, if ever, can a human do better than the optimizer - there are some specific cases for trying to outguess the optimizer but even then you'll probably be wrong - best answer, simply don't. Look first at the structure of your database and indexes in place before trying to outfox the optimizer - any hint or manual optimization you can come up with will usually fail the test of time as data volumes or unexpected use cases come into play.