No More SOX

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  • SOX actually made my life a little easier. I no longer have to argue with a bunch of people about locking down the Production Servers. I no longer have to listen to interminable dribble and explain over and over about why I don't believe Developers should have anything other than Read Only access to the Production Servers, if that.

    Now, I have a "3" word reason that they can't argue with. "It's the Law". Period. End of Story. Next problem please. And, oh yes, take your whiney hiney and your boss' gotta-have-it-now-'cause-I-dunno-how-to-write-a-schedule PITA attitude down the hall and put your cruddy, performance challenged, inaccurate, untested, POS code through a code review and some decent Unit and UAT Testing before you give it to me for promotion to Production. Make sure you have a backout plan, too, sonny. 😛

    Truly Yours,

    BSOFH on SOX steroids :hehe:

    p.s. That goes for your bloody undocumented, just-as-performance-challenged GUI code, too! 😀

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.
    "Change is inevitable... change for the better is not".

    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)
    Intro to Tally Tables and Functions

  • Heh... sorry... I'm holding back... I should tell you how I really feel. 😉

    --Jeff Moden


    RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
    First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
    ________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.
    "Change is inevitable... change for the better is not".

    Helpful Links:
    How to post code problems
    How to Post Performance Problems
    Create a Tally Function (fnTally)
    Intro to Tally Tables and Functions

  • Have to (strongly) agree with the ambiguous Mr. Moden. 🙂

    One of the downsides of SOX that I’ve witnessed has been its casual interpretation to justify requests. For example, one manager used SOX to justify hiring another DBA. Another involved requesting hardware upgrades.

  • SOX gave us a start to prepare for what was to come. As mentioned by all above, we now have the law on our side when we ask for controls, and the time and materials to implement them.

    The regional bank I work for was hit by eastern European hackers a year ago. SOX helped in two ways:

    1) We were partially prepared for the intrusion, and as such the actual damage to customer data was limited. Law enforcement gave us a huge P/R boost in assuring our customers that we had been well prepared.

    2) Many staff were prepared to respond quickly and appropriately, by having done many of the steps in lesser intensity over the last five years.

    Mike Hinds Lead Database Administrator1st Source BankMCP, MCTS

  • We do need SOX, but corporate executives hate it.

    It limits their ability to softly manage their short term reported financials, and makes them responsible. In one of my past careers (I am a CPA) I audited the financials of many companies. If you remember the collapse of Enron and Arthur Andersen, I can tell you from firsthand knowledge that it was only a matter of time before a major accounting firm imploded.

    The more you are prepared, the less you need it.

  • This was an interesting editorial for me because prior to this I had only heard Sarbanne-Oxley critisized for the "Mark to Market" provisions. See link below as an example:

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/29/mark-to-market-oped-cx_ng_0929gingrich.html

    Apparently SOX is more complex than this single issue. Thanks for the enlightenment.

    I haven't had time to read the whole act (and I don't feel too guilty about that - it seems most of Congress doesn't have time to read their own legislation nowadays). Might it be that it is a series of provisions that need to be considered individually? Perhaps those of you who have implemented applications in response to the act could further enlighten us...

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  • Glad to see from above the support for Internal Controls, certainly makes not only the DBAs life easier, but also, more importantly, the strength of an organisation's systems' integrity.

    I went into detail on this already here, with an anecdote or two:

    http://www.sqlservercentral.com/blogs/hugo/archive/2009/02/15/the-importance-of-the-segregation-of-duties-with-respect-to-internal-controls.aspx

    Here in Canada, we have (aka C-SOX) Bill C-158 - unfortunately, most developers here have to be convinced that this is the law and not just 'overhead' to make their lives difficult.

    [font="Verdana"]Town of Mount Royal, QC
    SQL Server DBA since '99
    MCDBA, MCITP, PMP, MVP '10, Azure Data Platform Data Engineer
    hugo@intellabase.com [/font]
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qnyiGWyGvDz6Q2VtLPGEsRufy9CUqw-t/view (MCDBA 2001, data eng associate coming asap)

  • Very interesting. I was expecting to see more complaints about SOX, but maybe I'm not out of touch as a DBA. This law definitely helps DBAS, or anyone that wants to better manage and control their environment, without such a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants attitude that used to predominate.

    I guess the DBAs don't want this repealed.

  • At my old company, data was managed very haphazardly and pretty much anyone could get access to systems internally if they asked the right people. SOX made us tighten down our systems, document our systems and actually come up with back up strategies which were barely there before. It actually required admins and dba's to learn the systems that they were working with better and in turn exposed a number of large potential issues that we might not have found before. After the first 2 years of SOX audits, it just became another yearly ritual for us, same as year end reporting and routine maintenance. One can imagine how many public companies might have fudged the numbers in today's economy if SOX wasn't a concern.

  • Steve Jones - Editor (6/1/2009)


    This law definitely helps DBAS, or anyone that wants to better manage and control their environment, without such a fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants attitude that used to predominate.

    That is the biggest benefit that I saw as part of IT. We managed most of our systems this way before SOX and it bit us a number of times. The number of late nights working to fix our own errors and shortcomings were reduced after we ensured that our backups actually worked. Our reporting also became much easier to manage knowing that the data was cleaner and more transparent. Audit trails = Good!

  • The need for SOX is in direct proportion to the amount of idiots (across all departments) who work at your company.

    SOX, like any formal methodology is there to babysit people who can't think for themselves.

    I think therefore, it has its place.

  • I agree that it shouldn't be necessary but unfortunately a great number of the idiots are the ones managing the budgets and making the final calls. SOX has forced alot of these people to slow down and give more thought to how the data is managed instead of just trying to do everything as cheaply and quickly as possible.

  • You know, I hate multiple-window browsers. The previous link I posted just brought you back to SQL Server Central. Sorry...

    :blush:

    I edited the previous post and I'm putting the corrected link here, too.

    http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/29/mark-to-market-oped-cx_ng_0929gingrich.html

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    “Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.”

  • WOW...so the fact that this one piece of legislation has been used by the accountants to musle arounf the entire US enterprise and lead to every decision on process improvement needing bounced off an auditor makes the majority of DBA's happy with it?

    I am an Information Architect who not only works on DB design on a cross app basis...but I also have to work with the Business Analysts and end users on a continuous (more than daily) basis. I can tell you this single piece of handy work by the US congress has done more to hamstring our productivity than just about anything I can think of. It single handedly lowered our cost of business to from several points lower than anywhere else in the world, to higher than everywhere in the previously high cost regions of europe.

    gesh...

    -Red Cat

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