August 7, 2009 at 11:11 pm
GSquared, you still don't make sense. There is no place in our society for religious tests, no matter how well its masked. As the author asked if it's baloney. Yes it is and so is your defense of the indefensible. No I didn't prejudge you about your religiosity but you're not leaving any doubts about your maturity.
August 8, 2009 at 7:40 am
sjsubscribe (8/7/2009)
GSquared, you still don't make sense. There is no place in our society for religious tests, no matter how well its masked. As the author asked if it's baloney. Yes it is and so is your defense of the indefensible. No I didn't prejudge you about your religiosity but you're not leaving any doubts about your maturity.
There is NO religious test involved here. Brad made an observation of the DBA's he has known. What the real question is, is this what most of us also see in mature DBA's. Are businesses drawn to mature people who may or may not have one or more of these traits.
No where did he ask if these traits are used in selecting DBA's. The immaturity displayed is not ours, but yours due to your lack of tolerance. I am more than willing to allow you to believe as you do. Too bad you aren't as willing in return.
August 10, 2009 at 7:25 am
sjsubscribe (8/7/2009)
GSquared, you still don't make sense. There is no place in our society for religious tests, no matter how well its masked. As the author asked if it's baloney. Yes it is and so is your defense of the indefensible. No I didn't prejudge you about your religiosity but you're not leaving any doubts about your maturity.
What religious tests? Nobody mentioned any! I'm not defending any such thing.
You still aren't reading what was actually written. Either by Brad or by me.
Must you continue to be insulting? Your response to just about everything thus far is simply to attack the person you're responding to. It's a very sophomoric method of debate.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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August 10, 2009 at 7:27 am
Lynn Pettis (8/8/2009)
sjsubscribe (8/7/2009)
GSquared, you still don't make sense. There is no place in our society for religious tests, no matter how well its masked. As the author asked if it's baloney. Yes it is and so is your defense of the indefensible. No I didn't prejudge you about your religiosity but you're not leaving any doubts about your maturity.There is NO religious test involved here. Brad made an observation of the DBA's he has known. What the real question is, is this what most of us also see in mature DBA's. Are businesses drawn to mature people who may or may not have one or more of these traits.
No where did he ask if these traits are used in selecting DBA's. The immaturity displayed is not ours, but yours due to your lack of tolerance. I am more than willing to allow you to believe as you do. Too bad you aren't as willing in return.
Lynn, after due consideration, I've come to the conclusion that sj is a standard troll. Every post is deliberately insulting, and ignores what was actually written in what he's responding to. Just ignore him. The usual "don't feed" is the best advice here.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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August 10, 2009 at 8:00 am
GSquared (8/10/2009)
Lynn Pettis (8/8/2009)
sjsubscribe (8/7/2009)
GSquared, you still don't make sense. There is no place in our society for religious tests, no matter how well its masked. As the author asked if it's baloney. Yes it is and so is your defense of the indefensible. No I didn't prejudge you about your religiosity but you're not leaving any doubts about your maturity.There is NO religious test involved here. Brad made an observation of the DBA's he has known. What the real question is, is this what most of us also see in mature DBA's. Are businesses drawn to mature people who may or may not have one or more of these traits.
No where did he ask if these traits are used in selecting DBA's. The immaturity displayed is not ours, but yours due to your lack of tolerance. I am more than willing to allow you to believe as you do. Too bad you aren't as willing in return.
Lynn, after due consideration, I've come to the conclusion that sj is a standard troll. Every post is deliberately insulting, and ignores what was actually written in what he's responding to. Just ignore him. The usual "don't feed" is the best advice here.
I'll have to agree. Especially after the PM he sent me this weekend in response to my last post here.
August 10, 2009 at 10:09 am
I just wanted to say that from an outside observers perspective, that I admire Lynn and Gus's continued professionalism in the face of what has ended up being a landslide debate. Lynn and Gus have continually kept the debate on track, in context, and backed up their replies with credible information in spite of the personal attacks and child-like arguments that they faced.
Kudos guys!!
August 10, 2009 at 11:52 am
John Rowan (8/10/2009)
I just wanted to say that from an outside observers perspective, that I admire Lynn and Gus's continued professionalism in the face of what has ended up being a landslide debate. Lynn and Gus have continually kept the debate on track, in context, and backed up their replies with credible information in spite of the personal attacks and child-like arguments that they faced.Kudos guys!!
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.
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August 10, 2009 at 12:04 pm
GSquared (8/10/2009)
John Rowan (8/10/2009)
I just wanted to say that from an outside observers perspective, that I admire Lynn and Gus's continued professionalism in the face of what has ended up being a landslide debate. Lynn and Gus have continually kept the debate on track, in context, and backed up their replies with credible information in spite of the personal attacks and child-like arguments that they faced.Kudos guys!!
Thanks for the support. I appreciate it.
As do I, Thank you.
December 3, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hi Brad,
I came to this party really late, but I thought this was a really interesting blog post worth further discussion - and I'd largely agree with most of the characteristics you mentioned.
I was surprised how many people misunderstood what you meant by "conservative" even when you clearly spelled out that you DID NOT mean the word in the political sense. Someone can be conservative with money, conservative in the way they dress, and conservative with their resources. So while I know plenty of DBAs who are politically liberal, independent, or moderate - I don't know any top-quality DBAs who aren't conservative about taking risks with their databases. That's what a good DBA does, they protect their IT assets as precious treasures.
I think the one thing I'd differ with you on is the "people of faith" observation. Ironically, I too am active in my church so I definitely fall into that category. I know lots of DBAs who are not religious in the least, otoh I've rarely seen a top-quality DBA who wasn't passionate to that point of religious zeal about something. Those DBAs that I've encountered who aren't religious balance it out with some other interesting thing that they really love. In other words, I think that they're very balanced people on multiple levels. Does that make any sense?
Great post and certainly got the ol' knoggin' working. Best regards,
-Kev
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