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Marcia J SSCertifiable Points: 5649 More actions · Answer 1

My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.

I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.

AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.

1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.

Jeff Mlakar SSCrazy Points: 2879 More actions · Answer 2

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.

That just triggered me into a rage!
It is difficult to balance between "sure i'll hold your hand" and "RTFM".

Sean Lange SSC Guru Points: 286573 More actions · Answer 3

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.

I love the last part. I will be waiting for you to hurry up and answer my question. ROFL

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Marcia J SSCertifiable Points: 5649 More actions · Answer 4

Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:34 AM
Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.
I love the last part. I will be waiting for you to hurry up and answer my question. ROFL

BTW, that was from June 2017. No one has yet answered the question.

Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398694 More actions · Answer 5

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:50 AM
Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:34 AM
Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.
I love the last part. I will be waiting for you to hurry up and answer my question. ROFL
BTW, that was from June 2017. No one has yet answered the question.

Yikes. We should have gotten it.
However, this is my editorial. This poor person is clearly over their head. I'm not mad at them for it. I feel bad. But, yeah, I truly wish they would meet us half way.

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DesNorton SSC-Insane Points: 24279 More actions · Answer 6

ZZartin - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:16 AM
Eric M Russell - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:21 AM
Marcia J - Monday, April 16, 2018 9:12 PM
Your post reminded me of something that happened my freshman year in college (many, many years ago.) One of my classmates asked me about a problem. So, I started trying to explain it to her. I was shocked to hear her say, "I don't want to understand it; I just want you to give me the answer."
I was paying my own way through college (with the help of a scholarship) and actually was excited to learn. I couldn't comprehend taking a class but not really wanting to understand the material.
I'm a little less naÃ¯ve now and wouldn't be so easily shocked that someone would think that way.
Aside from the cost to tax payers, what you've described is another reason why I'm opposed to the idea of mass producing university degrees. My assertion is that less than half of high school graduates are really college material. I'm not saying they're stupid or even lazy; it's just that at best their thinking patterns are very process oriented (punch in, follow directions, punch out), or they're daydreaming / drifting rather than focusing on study. Many folks can't train themselves to focus until after they turn 25.
Age is an excuse for people not doing well in school, the problem at least in the US is we decided that noone should be allowed to fail in K-12 and instead of actually improving students the education system just makes it easier to graduate.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/c2/89/abc28994895e39be69fc0f523fde4af5--calvin-and-hobbes-comic-strips.jpg

Well ...... Here in sunny South Africa, they actually lowered the pass mark for Math to 20%, because too many students are failing
https://qz.com/859222/south-africas-education-department-reduced-the-pass-mark-for-mathematics-to-20-in-schools/

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Sean Lange SSC Guru Points: 286573 More actions · Answer 7

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:50 AM
Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:34 AM
Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.
I love the last part. I will be waiting for you to hurry up and answer my question. ROFL
BTW, that was from June 2017. No one has yet answered the question.

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Cross Tabs and Pivots, Part 1 – Converting Rows to Columns - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/T-SQL/63681/
Cross Tabs and Pivots, Part 2 - Dynamic Cross Tabs - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Crosstab/65048/
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Marcia J SSCertifiable Points: 5649 More actions · Answer 8

It's a good thing I work at home so that no one heard me bust out laughing at Sean's meme.

Chris Harshman SSC-Forever Points: 42192 More actions · Answer 9

jmlakar 69347 - Monday, April 16, 2018 2:54 PM
...Also - Fred Brooks "Mythical Man Month" should be required reading.

I second that!

x SSC-Insane Points: 23660 More actions · Answer 10

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:50 AM
Sean Lange - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:34 AM
Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:27 AM
My first post failed, so hoping I am not double posting.
I just came across a perfect illustration while reading an article on MSSQLTIPS about transaction logs.
AFTER PERFORMING THE FULL BACK, IF I HAVEN'T DONE ANY CHANGES OR ANY TRANSACTIONS ON DATABASE, SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE A LOG BACKUP ALSO OR NOT, IF YES, WHY SHOULD I...????
I WILL BE WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.. PLZ MAKE IT FAST.
1. Read the article.
2. Don't be so demanding.
3. Mixed case is your friend.
I love the last part. I will be waiting for you to hurry up and answer my question. ROFL
BTW, that was from June 2017. No one has yet answered the question.

There was an answer within a day. There was only one prior post before the post, for a grand total of three posts so it not being answered would not have reflected badly on the poster or forum, but in any case it did get answered.

edit: answered by the original author no less!

Marcia J SSCertifiable Points: 5649 More actions · Answer 11

patrickmcginnis59 10839 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:40 PM
There was an answer within a day. There was only one prior post before the post, for a grand total of three posts so it not being answered would not have reflected badly on the poster or forum, but in any case it did get answered.
edit: answered by the original author no less!

Don't know how I missed that. But it won't be the last time I miss something obvious.

x SSC-Insane Points: 23660 More actions · Answer 12

Marcia J - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:54 PM
patrickmcginnis59 10839 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 2:40 PM
There was an answer within a day. There was only one prior post before the post, for a grand total of three posts so it not being answered would not have reflected badly on the poster or forum, but in any case it did get answered.
edit: answered by the original author no less!
Don't know how I missed that. But it won't be the last time I miss something obvious.

Probably because the answer wasn't in all caps!

Eric M Russell SSC Guru Points: 125522 More actions · Answer 13

DesNorton - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 11:33 AM
ZZartin - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:16 AM
Eric M Russell - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:21 AM
Marcia J - Monday, April 16, 2018 9:12 PM
Your post reminded me of something that happened my freshman year in college (many, many years ago.) One of my classmates asked me about a problem. So, I started trying to explain it to her. I was shocked to hear her say, "I don't want to understand it; I just want you to give me the answer."
I was paying my own way through college (with the help of a scholarship) and actually was excited to learn. I couldn't comprehend taking a class but not really wanting to understand the material.
I'm a little less naÃ¯ve now and wouldn't be so easily shocked that someone would think that way.
Aside from the cost to tax payers, what you've described is another reason why I'm opposed to the idea of mass producing university degrees. My assertion is that less than half of high school graduates are really college material. I'm not saying they're stupid or even lazy; it's just that at best their thinking patterns are very process oriented (punch in, follow directions, punch out), or they're daydreaming / drifting rather than focusing on study. Many folks can't train themselves to focus until after they turn 25.
Age is an excuse for people not doing well in school, the problem at least in the US is we decided that noone should be allowed to fail in K-12 and instead of actually improving students the education system just makes it easier to graduate.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/c2/89/abc28994895e39be69fc0f523fde4af5--calvin-and-hobbes-comic-strips.jpg
Well ...... Here in sunny South Africa, they actually lowered the pass mark for Math to 20%, because too many students are failing
https://qz.com/859222/south-africas-education-department-reduced-the-pass-mark-for-mathematics-to-20-in-schools/

I can score 20% or better on any topic, especially if it's multiple choice. :Whistling:

"Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Instead, seek what they sought." - Matsuo Basho

Chris Harshman SSC-Forever Points: 42192 More actions · Answer 14

Sometimes I think the problem is that there are a number of people who seem to lack what I'd consider basic troubleshooting skills. Those kind of people tend to build up a knowledge base that's formulaic, and they know if X happens then I do Y to fix it. While that works for simple problems, if they encounter something slightly different, or something complex then they struggle, so Y doesn't seem to fix X2 like it did X, now what? If people had better basic troubleshooting skills they could break down a problem and find the root cause of why something is wrong instead of just focusing on the fix. Yes the fix is important, and when something isn't working that's what their boss is hovering over them to get done, but without the troubleshooting the fixes will often take longer to achieve.

Jeff Mlakar SSCrazy Points: 2879 More actions · Answer 15

Chris Harshman - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 8:38 AM
Sometimes I think the problem is that there are a number of people who seem to lack what I'd consider basic troubleshooting skills. Those kind of people tend to build up a knowledge base that's formulaic, and they know if X happens then I do Y to fix it. While that works for simple problems, if they encounter something slightly different, or something complex then they struggle, so Y doesn't seem to fix X2 like it did X, now what? If people had better basic troubleshooting skills they could break down a problem and find the root cause of why something is wrong instead of just focusing on the fix. Yes the fix is important, and when something isn't working that's what their boss is hovering over them to get done, but without the troubleshooting the fixes will often take longer to achieve.

It's a mindset. There is a different skill utilized for developing new software vs maintaining other people's software (making hotfixes / patches), doing QA, and debugging / troubleshooting. I haven't run into a lot of people who are strong "cross-discipline".