September 22, 2008 at 12:22 pm
This is your first day and you start thinking to quit !!!!!!!! You did not catch in the wrong job, it seemed to me you caught in the wrong attitude!!!!!
My advice is either you quit at this moment or stick with the job and see how it takes you. Maybe they will let you do log shipping later on. Besides you said you had no experience in log shipping and if I am the manager, I properly will not assign you to do log shipping the first day at work. I need to see your work for a while before I will let you do something new.
September 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Not sure what you can do there other than look for another job.
You want to perform lots of due diligence, meaning talk to more than the hiring manager. Talk to employees as well.
I'd also raise this with your boss and say that it seems this isn't the job. Maybe they will do something, maybe not.
September 22, 2008 at 3:18 pm
For what it's worth - stable or no, happy or no, I wouldn't go around advertising who I work for. Especially if you don't have something else lined up. No company likes to have their name splashed across the NET with something negative being posted (no matter how inocuous). As a matter of fact - I know quite a few who would dismiss you just for mentioning them in the context you did.
Do yourself a favor - edit your initial post, and take that out. Also - you might care to give it a few days: it could be that this rewriting is something urgent. In my experience, the 20% isn't an exact figure, nor is it an expectation of exactly how EACH DAY might break down. Talk to the manager, and find out what is up. If you did make a bad choice, then start looking, while you keep doing the job requested (assuming you can). Making a bad choice is one thing; that being said - if you give it a try and make sure you don't like it would make a lot stronger case to your next job's hiring managers.
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Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part...unless you're my manager...or a director and above...or a really loud-spoken end-user..All right - what was my emergency again?
September 22, 2008 at 7:15 pm
I agree with the others... stick it out for at least 90 days. If I had quit my previous job due to "disuse" in the first 90 days, I'd have missed the opportunity of a lifetime. And, remember... they just don't hand over the keys to the "world" on the first day... you must prove yourself both trustworthy and diligent.
Learn to "Wax on... Wax Off" while walking on rice paper without tearing it... it'll be your turn to carry the hot hibachi in your bare forearms soon enough. 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
September 22, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Loner (9/22/2008)
This is your first day and you start thinking to quit !!!!!!!! You did not catch in the wrong job, it seemed to me you caught in the wrong attitude!!!!!My advice is either you quit at this moment or stick with the job and see how it takes you. Maybe they will let you do log shipping later on. Besides you said you had no experience in log shipping and if I am the manager, I properly will not assign you to do log shipping the first day at work. I need to see your work for a while before I will let you do something new.
I agree with you...but I why they want me to work on Team foundation server and VSS....Does these application hav any future in conjunction with sql server administeration
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 22, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Matt Miller (9/22/2008)
For what it's worth - stable or no, happy or no, I wouldn't go around advertising who I work for. Especially if you don't have something else lined up. No company likes to have their name splashed across the NET with something negative being posted (no matter how inocuous). As a matter of fact - I know quite a few who would dismiss you just for mentioning them in the context you did.Do yourself a favor - edit your initial post, and take that out. Also - you might care to give it a few days: it could be that this rewriting is something urgent. In my experience, the 20% isn't an exact figure, nor is it an expectation of exactly how EACH DAY might break down. Talk to the manager, and find out what is up. If you did make a bad choice, then start looking, while you keep doing the job requested (assuming you can). Making a bad choice is one thing; that being said - if you give it a try and make sure you don't like it would make a lot stronger case to your next job's hiring managers.
Thanks for da col advice...actually i lost my head when I came to know that my work is only to maintain a central repository of the files of developers ..... One thing that I forgot to tell that I am the only DBA i.e there is no senior DBA from whom I can learn.....
With current slump in IT market...I hv no other option to try this out for some 90-120 days .. and then look out for a new job....
but question here is that if i didn't get any experience on SQL server in next 90 days ..... then how will i pitch my self for an interview
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 22, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
but question here is that if i didn't get any experience on SQL server in next 90 days ..... then how will i pitch my self for an interview
It's funny how people are... they stand in the middle of a lake and can't find a drop to drink. 😛
You want experience? Start working on, solving, and posting answers to threads on this forum. I guarantee that you'll never see as many different problems on the job (although some folks come close ;)).
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
September 22, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Jeff Moden (9/22/2008)
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
but question here is that if i didn't get any experience on SQL server in next 90 days ..... then how will i pitch my self for an interviewIt's funny how people are... they stand in the middle of a lake and can't find a drop to drink. 😛
You want experience? Start working on, solving, and posting answers to threads on this forum. I guarantee that you'll never see as many different problems on the job (although some folks come close ;)).
Thanks....
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 22, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Jeff Moden (9/22/2008)
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
but question here is that if i didn't get any experience on SQL server in next 90 days ..... then how will i pitch my self for an interviewIt's funny how people are... they stand in the middle of a lake and can't find a drop to drink. 😛
You want experience? Start working on, solving, and posting answers to threads on this forum. I guarantee that you'll never see as many different problems on the job (although some folks come close ;)).
Brilliant solution Jeff. Actually if he try to solve all the questions/problems asked in this forum he may become MVP. Osama we want to see more of you here.
🙂
September 22, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Anirban Paul (9/22/2008)
Jeff Moden (9/22/2008)
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
but question here is that if i didn't get any experience on SQL server in next 90 days ..... then how will i pitch my self for an interviewIt's funny how people are... they stand in the middle of a lake and can't find a drop to drink. 😛
You want experience? Start working on, solving, and posting answers to threads on this forum. I guarantee that you'll never see as many different problems on the job (although some folks come close ;)).
Brilliant solution Jeff. Actually if he try to solve all the questions/problems asked in this forum he may become MVP. Osama we want to see more of you here.
🙂
sure anirbhan..... do u hv any idea about the scope of Team foundation server
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 22, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Ummm... disregard my last... it appears that you're only interested in clustering and log shipping.:)
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
September 22, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Jeff Moden (9/22/2008)
Ummm... disregard my last... it appears that you're only interested in clustering and log shipping.:)
not at all....tho i think that these are the core DBA fields and each one shud hav pratical knowledge of them....
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 23, 2008 at 1:22 am
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
tho i think that these are the core DBA fields and each one shud hav pratical knowledge of them....
That's a very narrow view of the DBA role. Personally I've never implemented either and I don't expect to do so. Most of my former team members (DBA for a large bank) didn't do clustering or log shipping on a regular basis, if at all
What about backups (recoverability), database design, performance tuning, general maintenance (reorg, integrity check), security, ...
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
September 23, 2008 at 3:09 am
GilaMonster (9/23/2008)
Ahmad Osama (9/22/2008)
tho i think that these are the core DBA fields and each one shud hav pratical knowledge of them....What about backups (recoverability), database design, performance tuning, general maintenance (reorg, integrity check), security, ...
So ..can I excel in these things just by solving issues on communities or do they need some practical knowledge
Regards,
[font="Verdana"]Sqlfrenzy[/font]
September 23, 2008 at 4:56 am
A bit o' history...... I started working with a silly little help desk application in 1998/99 that happened to have a SQL Server backend. The company that I was working for at the time really didn't have a DBA and so, as I gained experience with the database and how it was used by the application, taking backups, updating data (sometimes the whole table when it should have only been one record :)), etc I became pretty good at it. Through that I saw that there were a whole bunch of other SQL boxes on the network and I eventually worked my way into a DBA role (later 1999 / early 2000). I immediately found this site and started becoming active AS TIME PERMITTED with my work and family schedule. I am now a senior DBA and work for a very high end company (this is my second really high-end job) working with multi-terabyte web databases, all SQL Server.
Yes, it sounds like you might have been sold something that wasn't tangible but what an opportunity to make something out of it. If nothing else, you will have gained a ton of experience while you learn there. Take whatever opportunity you can to get your fingers in SQL and go from there. Clustering doesn't start over night. Read white papers on the side (I used to read at least 1 per week). Read questions and research answers for this site. Yes, you will make mistakes but you will grow. Read Books Online, you have no idea how many "DBA's" never do that yet there is a wealth of information in there. Study indexes, the storage and access methods for them. Study as much as you can on the storage engine, read Paul Randal and Kim Tripp blogs. Man, just thinking about all this makes me excited. 🙂 Another great thing is to use some RSS feed collector (I use google Reader) and start subscribing to blogs, technical ones, such as I already mentioned and others which I can list if you are interested and start reading some of the posts. Do a deep dive from that information and start showing growth to the manager.
Opportunities abound for those that really want to grow on this DBMS. The fact that the utilization of SQL Server is increasing and that it is finding its way into major organizations for large scale installations means there is going to be an increasing need for those that KNOW what they are doing.
Hope this helps encourage you.....
David
@SQLTentmaker“He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose” - Jim Elliot
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