Are the posted questions getting worse?
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Worse than that, it apparently knows what is meant by "temp" table but still couldn't tie it together in the previous question. Or, if it did, it's seriously incorrect. Here's the question I just asked it.
The really odd part is, I'm NOT actually seriously disappointed. In fact, I actually expected such answers. The reason why is that there are so many people who have labelled themselves as "expert" that answered such questions (and more) in a similar manner. For proof of that, hang around StackOverflow and other such forums for a while and read some of the articles and blogs and 'tubes so many "experts" have made. Don't plan on being able to post a response on most of those articles and blogs to help them see the light, either. Comments are usually disabled or just not supported by whatever engine they're using to support their articles and blogs.
What I AM disappointed in is all the rave reviews it's getting and all the claims that it's very quickly going to supplant the need for people that have studied the art that other people are asking questions about. IMHO, it's currently in a dangerous state where it comes out with seriously incorrect answers while "demonstrating" that it's "correct" by the additional rhetoric it provides. It sounds like most people do on linked in that talk about politics, Covid, and a bunch of other subjects that they're highly opinionated about but actually have no qualifications. 😀 I can see it now... "Well, it's not just my opinion here... look what ChatGPT says". {headddesk}{headddesk}{headddesk}.
Like my Pappy used to tell me... "Half of all the written is wrong and the other half is written in such a manner that you can't tell". ChatGPT is the latter point in that statement but in spades. and that makes it dangerous.
Heh... I DO congratulate them, though. I've never actually seen a fully automated bullshit grinder before. 😀 😀 😀
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
And, I hit the "first post on the next page" problem with that so posting another so that it'll actually be visible.
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
And now we're just waiting for Google's Bard chatbot to go to GA. Time will tell who is the more truthful chatterbox.
But Bard will probably not do any better, since it will be based even more on online content.
- kaj wrote:
And now we're just waiting for Google's Bard chatbot to go to GA. Time will tell who is the more truthful chatterbox.
But Bard will probably not do any better, since it will be based even more on online content.
Indeed. I just hope neither one does too much damage. I don't believe my hope will be realized, though.
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
I read something about temp tables just a while back. I only vaguely remember the article, but I had thought about testing the premise about not dropping temp tables at the end of procedures. It just seems good practice to drop at the end what you create at the beginning of a procedure.
I just wish I could remember where I read it.
- kaj wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:kaj wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:
It apparently cannot make the distinction between "temp tables" and "temporary tables". It's seriously incorrect for what most of us refer to as "temp tables" and seriously correct for "real" "Temporary Tables".
Hmm.. not sure what you're referring to with "temp tables", so I'm obviously not "most people". 🙂
Is it a temperature table? A temperamental table? A temptation table? I'm honestly wondering...
In the context of SQL Server, I personally think most people would indeed think of "temp tables" as a lazy short-hand for "temporary tables".
Totally true and we (including you) usually mean something created in TempDB whose hame starts with a "#".. ChatGTP didn't consider it as "Temporary table objects that live in TempDB that start with # sign". It was apparently thinking of a "Table created in any database that is a real table and won't automatically be dropped at the end of the session or procedure run".
Yes, and I now see your wisdom. 🙂 I think I got stuck on the sentence "It can't make the distinction between "temp tables" and "temporary tables", which didn't make much sense to me at the time.
BTW... we had a similar bit of confusion in real life at work. They wanted to create some "temporary logging tables" by run for a kind of complex system they developed. They original started out by creating them as tables with date included in the name but they had them all in the "dbo" schema. Not fun to look at in the Object Explorer. There was also great confusion between "Temp" tables (the kind in TempDB with a # sign) and the "temporary" tables they were actually talking about.
To solve both of those issues, we started calling those table "scratch" tables and made a separate schema for them to get them out of the way in the Object Explorer (which also made using a filter easier, to boot). I checked with everyone and they all agreed that they weren't needed after 7 days so I created a proc that would add a "To_Be_Deleted" prefix to those scratch tables 7 days after their last "modified" date and then those are simply dropped after 7 days.
To date, no one has ever needed to rename or use even one of the "To_Be_Deleted" tables and so we're now considering just doing the auto-drop after 7 days without the rename thing.
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) - Jeff Moden wrote:kaj wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:kaj wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:
It apparently cannot make the distinction between "temp tables" and "temporary tables". It's seriously incorrect for what most of us refer to as "temp tables" and seriously correct for "real" "Temporary Tables".
Hmm.. not sure what you're referring to with "temp tables", so I'm obviously not "most people". 🙂
Is it a temperature table? A temperamental table? A temptation table? I'm honestly wondering...
In the context of SQL Server, I personally think most people would indeed think of "temp tables" as a lazy short-hand for "temporary tables".
Totally true and we (including you) usually mean something created in TempDB whose hame starts with a "#".. ChatGTP didn't consider it as "Temporary table objects that live in TempDB that start with # sign". It was apparently thinking of a "Table created in any database that is a real table and won't automatically be dropped at the end of the session or procedure run".
Yes, and I now see your wisdom. 🙂 I think I got stuck on the sentence "It can't make the distinction between "temp tables" and "temporary tables", which didn't make much sense to me at the time.
BTW... we had a similar bit of confusion in real life at work. They wanted to create some "temporary logging tables" by run for a kind of complex system they developed. They original started out by creating them as tables with date included in the name but they had them all in the "dbo" schema. Not fun to look at in the Object Explorer. There was also great confusion between "Temp" tables (the kind in TempDB with a # sign) and the "temporary" tables they were actually talking about.
To solve both of those issues, we started calling those table "scratch" tables and made a separate schema for them to get them out of the way in the Object Explorer (which also made using a filter easier, to boot). I checked with everyone and they all agreed that they weren't needed after 7 days so I created a proc that would add a "To_Be_Deleted" prefix to those scratch tables 7 days after their last "modified" date and then those are simply dropped after 7 days.
To date, no one has ever needed to rename or use even one of the "To_Be_Deleted" tables and so we're now considering just doing the auto-drop after 7 days without the rename thing.
That’s why I like you Jeff, you’re such a smart guy 😍🥳
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
Anon. - David Burrows wrote:
That’s why I like you Jeff, you’re such a smart guy 😍🥳
Heh... if I were really smart, I'd just up and retire. That would probably kill me though.
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) - Jeff Moden wrote:David Burrows wrote:
That’s why I like you Jeff, you’re such a smart guy 😍🥳
Heh... if I were really smart, I'd just up and retire. That would probably kill me though.
Just like me 😂, glad I didn’t. You’ll out live us all 😀 you’re an institution you know 😃
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
Anon. - David Burrows wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:David Burrows wrote:
That’s why I like you Jeff, you’re such a smart guy 😍🥳
Heh... if I were really smart, I'd just up and retire. That would probably kill me though.
Just like me 😂, glad I didn’t. You’ll out live us all 😀 you’re an institution you know 😃
I think most folks would say your confused, David. They rather think I should be IN an institution. 😀 😀 😀
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) - Jeff Moden wrote:
I think most folks would say your confused, David. They rather think I should be IN an institution. 😀 😀 😀
LOL. Maybe we could be in the same room and debate leading commas. FOTFL 😜
Far away is close at hand in the images of elsewhere.
Anon. - David Burrows wrote:Jeff Moden wrote:
I think most folks would say your confused, David. They rather think I should be IN an institution. 😀 😀 😀
LOL. Maybe we could be in the same room and debate leading commas. FOTFL 😜
😀
--Jeff Moden
RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally) -
Forget leading commas. Let's debate leading semi-colons. @=)
- Brandie Tarvin wrote:
Don't get me started in WITH (NOLOCK). Apparently there are a number of people suddenly making that recommendation to get rid of blocking.
It's apparently easier advice to give people than details on how to actually fix their code.
Always has been.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
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SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning - Brandie Tarvin wrote:
Forget leading commas. Let's debate leading semi-colons. @=)
.Please no >_< .Leading commas I accept as a preference, but leading semicolons are another matter entirely, lol .Those are like starting every sentence with a full stop, and not ending your last sentence with one
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