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Job wasn't as described


Job wasn't as described

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Lynn Pettis
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Chord77 (6/20/2014)
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How long have you been in the role? Maybe they're trying to get you used to their environment for a few months?


That was my initial thought.

But then just this morning I was asked by a team lead, "have you ever installed SQL server?"

(umm...more times than I can count throughout my career....<Internal Thought>Wink

I think there has been a miscommunication between the hiring manager and the manager I report to.


I had that experience years ago. I was actually hired to replace the person who asked me a similar question regarding DG systems. I had 5 years experience at the time this person asked the question.

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Chord77 (6/19/2014)
Need some advice.

The job description was for a senior level dba which I am. But when I showed up all they want me doing is moving databases from one server to another and migrating logins.

I am going to have a talk with my manager tomorrow saying this is not an effective use of my time or their resources.

They have people with less than 1 year experience trying to architect solutions that are second nature to me (or any other senior DbA/Developer).

Anyone ever had an experience where the job was not at all what was described? How did that turn out?


I had a job like that, struggled on with it for a year, bored out of my mind! Did me no good at all.

Having said that, I'd give it a bit of time, perhaps to the end of a probation period if you have one?
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Don't underestimate any job. What if I were your manager and I told you to develop code to restore databases from one server to another automatically, so any time we need to do that we just re-use your development which should be on a single click?

It all depends on how you look at things.


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Igor Micev (6/20/2014)
Don't underestimate any job. What if I were your manager and I told you to develop code to restore databases from one server to another automatically, so any time we need to do that we just re-use your development which should be on a single click?

It all depends on how you look at things.


That is a very good point and a valid example in this case.

In this particular situation they have hired an outside vendor to provide a toolset to do so.

I'll talk to my manager and team leads next week and get some idea of their long term vision for my role.

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Does this location have strict separation of DBA vs. Dev duties? If so, it's possible they want a senior on site for the one-off "HOLY CRAP ITS ON FIRE!" events, and generally they've found they need a lot of experience for those moments. In between, they're there to support the devs with the mundane crap and make sure the architecture stays sound.

I agree it's definately worth a discussion with the managers as to their expectation to the role, but go in with an open mind. Leave your expectations at the door, and be willing to discuss ways you can help in between the duties they want you to attend to. I agree with Sean in this, be careful of your wording, you're the new guy.

Hypocritical Refuge: That's advice from the most tactless person on the planet, I know, which should probably tell me something about myself. However, I'm used to being the one called in to come fix everything that's falling down around people's ears, so my typical approach is not one I'd take towards a longer term position.


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From the sounds of it, there's senior level work in the organization, you just have to position yourself to be the one doing it. I've had these kinds of issues in the past, watching the boss hand plum assignments to people with demonstrably less knowledge and skill. You just have to work with them all to ensure the business gets what it needs. Eventually, if you are the more senior person, you'll get more and more of the senior level work because everyone will be coming to you for it. But, as has already been pointed out, you'll need to be very cautious about not trodding too heavily on everyone's toes while you do this.

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Thanks for the advice.

I agree, being careful will be very important. I spoke to one of the more experienced members this week and we discussed our background and he said he had no idea my experience level because the manager never told anyone.

Sounds like this could be an interesting group to navigate in.

Of course my old job is pinging me to see if I want to come back, so that's not helping my thought process.

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Never go back to the old job. All the reasons you left are still there. It's the same arguments for never taking a counter-offer. If all you needed was more money, that can be negotiated. But if you weren't being challenged, or the working conditions were awful, or there were bad people, bad management, sketchy processes, bad feedback loops, all the stuff you hated, it's still there.

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Grant Fritchey (6/23/2014)
Never go back to the old job. All the reasons you left are still there. It's the same arguments for never taking a counter-offer. If all you needed was more money, that can be negotiated. But if you weren't being challenged, or the working conditions were awful, or there were bad people, bad management, sketchy processes, bad feedback loops, all the stuff you hated, it's still there.


Agreed, I really only took this new one for the money and more opportunties for career advancement (vs. the flat structure I was in)
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Spoke to my manager this morning.

He wants my primary role to be process improvement and creation. I've done it (successfully) in the past, but that wasn't the job description.

I mentioned how I wanted to ensure I am still challenged on a technical level, but mostly was told I could work with other team members to determine the technologies they want us to use.

Not exactly what I signed up for, and the primary role is something I am not passionate about.

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