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Hierarchies on Steroids #2: A Replacement for Nested Sets Calculations


Hierarchies on Steroids #2: A Replacement for Nested Sets Calculations

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adrian.facio (11/15/2012)
Learned a lot.


Thanks, Adrian. That's actually the best kind of feedback. Glad I could help.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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JJ B (11/15/2012)
Wow. Both articles are awesome. Not only is your code well documented (as usual), but the charts were also extremely useful in helping to explain the text. Well done and thanks for taking the time to really explain the methods.


Long time no "see", JJ B. Thanks for stopping by and I appreciate the feedback.

I have a secret to tell about the documentation and the charts... it was the only way I could teach myself how it would all work. Hehe I also wanted to absolutely understand Adam's formulas so I could figure out the best way to use them and the only way I could do that was to draw some pretty pictures for myself. :-D

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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Jeff Moden (11/15/2012)
dwain.c (11/15/2012)
Jeff - Working through it now but its pretty deep and I expect it will take me awhile.

Great explanations though!

I'm going to try to see if I can adapt the approach to another problem I encountered recently that is "not quite" a hiearchy.

Let me know if you decide to change your name to John. I have several article attributions to you I'll need to change.:-D


Thanks, Dwain. I'd be interested in your "not quite a hierarchy" problem. Sounds interesting.

Heh... nah. Not going to change my name. Too much paper work for us all. :-D


Seems you're up might late (or real early) today...

Did I say "I'm going to?" I meant to say "I may." In any event, don't expect much from me this weekend as I'm going fishing. Need to update my avatar. :-D


My mantra: No loops! No CURSORs! No RBAR! Hoo-uh!

My thought question: Have you ever been told that your query runs too fast?

My advice:
INDEXing a poor-performing query is like putting sugar on cat food. Yeah, it probably tastes better but are you sure you want to eat it?
The path of least resistance can be a slippery slope. Take care that fixing your fixes of fixes doesn't snowball and end up costing you more than fixing the root cause would have in the first place.


Need to UNPIVOT? Why not CROSS APPLY VALUES instead?
Since random numbers are too important to be left to chance, let's generate some!
Learn to understand recursive CTEs by example.
Splitting strings based on patterns can be fast!
My temporal SQL musings: Calendar Tables, an Easter SQL, Time Slots and Self-maintaining, Contiguous Effective Dates in Temporal Tables
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SQLRNNR (11/15/2012)
Another fine piece Jeff.


Thanks, Jason. I really appreciate it.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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dwain.c (11/16/2012)
In any event, don't expect much from me this weekend as I'm going fishing. Need to update my avatar.

Break a rod and haul that baby in! :-D Get the gaff! Get the Gaff! {looks over the side at whats at the other end of the line}... Get the Gun! Get the Gun!

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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Jeff Moden (11/16/2012)
... it was the only way I could teach myself how it would all work. Hehe

Jeff, this is the first time I see someone use this 'terminology' as a motivating factor for writing comments. I wish more people would do it - especially in production code. Sometimes SQL code gets so convoluted when solving a hard problem that coming back to the code a year later makes you faint. And that's when you soak up the comments - and relax. I write a lot of comments like that (and not just in SQL code). Maybe I don't format it nicely like you do :-P
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Jeff Moden (11/16/2012)
... it was the only way I could teach myself how it would all work. Hehe

Jeff, this is the first time I see someone use this 'terminology' as a motivating factor for writing comments. I wish more people would do it - especially in production code. Sometimes SQL code gets so convoluted when solving a hard problem that coming back to the code a year later makes you faint. And that's when you soak up the comments - and relax. I write a lot of comments like that (and not just in SQL code). Maybe I don't format it nicely like you do :-P


I'm right the with you, Michael. I comment even simple code. There's nothing worse than opening up, say, someone's "simple" bit of code only to find that they didn't even write a single line about what the overall purpose of the code is. Some folks say that the name of the code (proc, function, view, etc) should tell you what the code does but between some terrible naming and the need for speed when troubleshooting, well formed comments can really speed up the troubleshooting process.

Same goes for the code itself. Some say that all you need to know can be found by reading the code. I've never seen code that explains what the business reason for each SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, or MERGE is. It can only be done with some simple but well formed comments. It's especially helpful when you're troubleshooting someone's "simple" 2,000 line stored procedure.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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Jeff, I was always under the impression that you are based somewhere in the New York area or at least the EDT time zone. Have you moved? Because there it would be 3 in the morning.
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Michael Meierruth (11/16/2012)
Jeff, I was always under the impression that you are based somewhere in the New York area or at least the EDT time zone. Have you moved? Because there it would be 3 in the morning.


I'm guessing he's somewhere around Detroit but we'll see.


My mantra: No loops! No CURSORs! No RBAR! Hoo-uh!

My thought question: Have you ever been told that your query runs too fast?

My advice:
INDEXing a poor-performing query is like putting sugar on cat food. Yeah, it probably tastes better but are you sure you want to eat it?
The path of least resistance can be a slippery slope. Take care that fixing your fixes of fixes doesn't snowball and end up costing you more than fixing the root cause would have in the first place.


Need to UNPIVOT? Why not CROSS APPLY VALUES instead?
Since random numbers are too important to be left to chance, let's generate some!
Learn to understand recursive CTEs by example.
Splitting strings based on patterns can be fast!
My temporal SQL musings: Calendar Tables, an Easter SQL, Time Slots and Self-maintaining, Contiguous Effective Dates in Temporal Tables
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Jeff,

As with the first article its top draw, though I'm still reading through them both and making the various links to previous experiences, I like the use of the rollup in the aggregation, a function that often gets overlooked.

I'm going to try and use this to redesign the hierarchy builder I have to see if I can optimise the code.

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