The Job Posting - Do I really have to be the SQL God?

  • Fozzie

    SSCrazy

    Points: 2107

    Ok I am English from England with a B grade A-Level in English Literature (ok a few years ago, but not that many).

    I didn't notice the errors immediately.. but I do to tend to gloss read articles. Then I had to read it again to find the mistakes, which was less than I expected from the moan.

    :w00t:

    Nice article. I am more than happy.

    :hehe:

  • M&M

    SSC-Insane

    Points: 21699

    Craig, thank you very much for the article. This would be very helpful for most of us.

    I have seen many job postings which requires people knowledgebale in other database products as well like Oracle, Sybase etc.

    Would it be preferable for SQL Server professionals who are working as Administrators to start learning about adminstrating other database products (Oracle, DB2 etc) or should we start learning T-SQL development, SSRS etc.

    M&M

  • Brigadur

    SSCrazy

    Points: 2097

    Thanks Craig, really great article about an issue that should concern all professionals. It is very frustrating to see some of the job ads, asking for a lot and trying to figure out what the heck they really looking for :-).

    O boy, I hope my grammar is ok ;-).

    Cheers

  • TomThomson

    SSC Guru

    Points: 104773

    majorbloodnock (4/14/2011)


    Jeff Moden (4/14/2011)


    Koen Verbeeck (4/14/2011)


    fname lname-1111520 (4/13/2011)


    I get it: "then", "than", "there's", "there are". Stop reading (and I did), it can't be coherent.

    Oink? You stop reading a technical article about some (minor) grammar issues that 90% of the entire world wouldn't notice?

    You must be missing a lot...

    On topic: great article Craig. I get frustrated a lot with those job postings of HR/consultancy firms who don't know what the technical content is, so they'll just add some buzzwords. And demand that you speak at least 3 languages fluently, be proficient in at least 5 different domains in IT (which aren't necessarilly linked) and that you are a workaholic. And you can't have more than 3 years of experience, or you're too expensive.

    Don't forget two written referrals from two living presidents. 😛

    Is that one referral per president or two from each? If you can't write clearly, I might dismiss your whole post as incoherent.

    :-P:Whistling:

    No, of course it isn't. It's two written referals each signed by two living presidents, and since you don't get to use the same president more than once that requires the signatures of four living presidents in all; after all, no-one is going to ask for two references from the same two people, are they? :Whistling:

    Either that or Jeff has taken to witing very unclearly :crazy: :w00t:

    Tom

  • majorbloodnock

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    Points: 9389

    Tom.Thomson (4/14/2011)


    majorbloodnock (4/14/2011)


    Jeff Moden (4/14/2011)


    Koen Verbeeck (4/14/2011)


    fname lname-1111520 (4/13/2011)


    I get it: "then", "than", "there's", "there are". Stop reading (and I did), it can't be coherent.

    Oink? You stop reading a technical article about some (minor) grammar issues that 90% of the entire world wouldn't notice?

    You must be missing a lot...

    On topic: great article Craig. I get frustrated a lot with those job postings of HR/consultancy firms who don't know what the technical content is, so they'll just add some buzzwords. And demand that you speak at least 3 languages fluently, be proficient in at least 5 different domains in IT (which aren't necessarilly linked) and that you are a workaholic. And you can't have more than 3 years of experience, or you're too expensive.

    Don't forget two written referrals from two living presidents. 😛

    Is that one referral per president or two from each? If you can't write clearly, I might dismiss your whole post as incoherent.

    :-P:Whistling:

    No, of course it isn't. It's two written referals each signed by two living presidents, and since you don't get to use the same president more than once that requires the signatures of four living presidents in all; after all, no-one is going to ask for two references from the same two people, are they? :Whistling:

    Either that or Jeff has taken to witing very unclearly :crazy: :w00t:

    Nah. Nothing wrong with Jeff's clarity. I'm just exercising my right to be wilfully obtuse whenever it serves my facetiousness best.

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  • James Stover

    Hall of Fame

    Points: 3363

    I always like the ones that say something like "expert skills in Oracle and SQL Server". So, basically you want 20 years of combined experience on two major platforms all for the low, low price of one mid-level DBA? Usually, these ads also say something like "3+ years using SQL 2011".

    I've learned to skip straight past these ads.


    James Stover, McDBA

  • Kiara

    SSCarpal Tunnel

    Points: 4185

    Nice job, Craig!

    -Ki

  • Grant Fritchey

    SSC Guru

    Points: 396478

    GilaMonster (4/14/2011)


    fname lname-1111520 (4/14/2011)


    "then" and "there's"... I didn't find it incoherent. I claimed "it can't be coherent". If I were reviewing resumes, you go in the Engrish pile.

    Then I suggest you don't read anything I've written (and I'm a native-born English speaker) as I have the tendency to occasionally swap 'or' and 'of' without noticing and seldom does a proof read or grammar check pick that up.

    Certainly don't read any of my stuff either. I'm looking at multiple books and articles and blog posts over the last eight years or so and I don't doubt for one second I've got horrific English in all of them.

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  • Grant Fritchey

    SSC Guru

    Points: 396478

    Nice article Craig. The company I left put up a SQL Superman job to try to replace me, despite my protests. My old boss just kept saying "Let's see what we get." So I don't think anyone actually expects to really fill these requirements. Unfortunately, then the HR guys get involved, go through and pluck out all the keywords and then play keyword bingo with resumes. The only ones that qualify are from people lying their behinds off who then fail the technical interview which is why you have to go through 60-70 phone interviews and 5-10 face to face interviews to actually hire someone. It's frankly getting stupid. This article really helps.

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    The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood...
    Theodore Roosevelt

    The Scary DBA
    Author of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd Edition
    Product Evangelist for Red Gate Software

  • Grant Fritchey

    SSC Guru

    Points: 396478

    mohammed moinudheen (4/14/2011)


    Craig, thank you very much for the article. This would be very helpful for most of us.

    I have seen many job postings which requires people knowledgebale in other database products as well like Oracle, Sybase etc.

    Would it be preferable for SQL Server professionals who are working as Administrators to start learning about adminstrating other database products (Oracle, DB2 etc) or should we start learning T-SQL development, SSRS etc.

    For the vast majority of work and people.... drill down. Learn more and more and more about SQL Server. It's a huge product. You can't possibly ever learn it all, so learn what you can. The number of jobs that really need people proficient in both Sybase and SQL SErver or DB2 and SQL Server or Oracle and SQL Server or even all of the above, are pretty few. Even with those jobs, most of the time, it's a nice to have.

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    The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood...
    Theodore Roosevelt

    The Scary DBA
    Author of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd Edition
    Product Evangelist for Red Gate Software

  • ChrisM@home

    SSC-Insane

    Points: 24260

    Thanks Craig. This really opened my eyes to the BS in some of the posts I've been thinking about the last few days. Well written, great content. Job done.

    Should you decide to leave your current post, how do you think your HR department would put this niche ability into the job spec? See Grant's post above 😀


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  • Henry_Lee

    SSCrazy

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    Great article, thanks for your perspective!

  • Stephen Randolph

    SSC Enthusiast

    Points: 105

    "what is a SQL Server Engineer" someone who doesn't take care of hardware. 😀

    That's what I call myself and I've been doing it for just about 20 years. I hate being called a DBA.

  • Gail Shaw

    SSC Guru

    Points: 1004474

    Grant Fritchey (4/14/2011)


    I'm looking at multiple books and articles and blog posts over the last eight years or so and I don't doubt for one second I've got horrific English in all of them.

    The Simple-talk books are probably fine, considering how picky and good Tony is. Blogs posts, I agree with you, the most appalling spelling and grammar sneak into those (mine too)

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  • Grant Fritchey

    SSC Guru

    Points: 396478

    GilaMonster (4/14/2011)


    Grant Fritchey (4/14/2011)


    I'm looking at multiple books and articles and blog posts over the last eight years or so and I don't doubt for one second I've got horrific English in all of them.

    The Simple-talk books are probably fine, considering how picky and good Tony is. Blogs posts, I agree with you, the most appalling spelling and grammar sneak into those (mine too)

    I hate to say this, but doing the rewrite, we missed tons of stuff in the Exec Plans book. But you're right, Tony is incredibly strict. It really helps the quality of the product.

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    The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood...
    Theodore Roosevelt

    The Scary DBA
    Author of: SQL Server 2017 Query Performance Tuning, 5th Edition and SQL Server Execution Plans, 3rd Edition
    Product Evangelist for Red Gate Software

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