June 18, 2009 at 2:44 am
Hello everyone!
MVP - Most Valuable Professional and MCA - Microsoft Certified Architects!
Anyone have any comment that who will be the best or on the other side who will be in first place!?
MVP persons are really very professional and much experienced persons, so the MCA is very high level of the professional learning and sure experience with over 15-20 years experience and above!
The new program for certification from MS is :
1.MCTS - Basic
2.MCITP - Professional
3.MCM - Master
4.MCA - Architect
Everyone knows but what about the differences between MVPs and MCAs!
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June 18, 2009 at 4:31 am
AFAIK All MC** stuff, you have to pass the required exams.
MVP is kind of an award MS grants you for a certain period and target area as a token of appreciation.
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June 18, 2009 at 4:41 am
MVP is not a certification. You can't directly compare it to the MCM, MCA certs. Plus, there are only (iirc) 3 MCM certs available - Exchange, sharepoint, SQL Server. MVPs are awarded for over 90 different technology areas.
MVP is an award for community involvement. It's not a exam that you can take or a series of courses and evaluations. From the MS website:
Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs) are exceptional technical community leaders from around the world who are awarded for voluntarily sharing their high quality, real world expertise in offline and online technical communities.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
June 18, 2009 at 4:54 am
GilaMonster (6/18/2009)
MVP is not a certification. You can't directly compare it to the MCM, MCA certs. Plus, there are only (iirc) 3 MCM certs available - Exchange, sharepoint, SQL Server. MVPs are awarded for over 90 different technology areas.MVP is an award for community involvement. It's not a exam that you can take or a series of courses and evaluations. From the MS website:
Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs) are exceptional technical community leaders from around the world who are awarded for voluntarily sharing their high quality, real world expertise in offline and online technical communities.
Yes, I know that MVP is not certification! I'm talking for the value of peoples who has MVP or MCA status!
Example: MVP for SQL (Very high value about SQL technology) otherwise MCA contains (SQL, Exchange, SharePoint etc) and finally I can see that the MVP is just in specific area (in this case areas are Microsoft's Technology) so the MCA is the specialist with many areas (Microsoft's Technology)!
Now who is the winner ...?... MVP or MCA !???
Or better if you plane to hire one expert for your company will you invite the MVP or MCA !?
Simple I want to now who is the number 1
1. MVP then 2. MCA or 1.MCA then 2.MVP!
June 18, 2009 at 5:08 am
Dugi (6/18/2009)
Yes, I know that MVP is not certification! I'm talking for the value of peoples who has MVP or MCA status! Now who is the winner ...?... MVP or MCA !???
Apples and grapefruit.
MCA:Databases is an architectural certification. From http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/certification/architect.aspx
Microsoft Technology architects communicate mainly with the solutions or infrastructure architects, IT and application decision makers, and the technologists. Once product decisions for architecture have been made, the product architect, with a deep level of experience and knowledge of the products being used, helps develop the more specific product architecture.
I wouldn't hire an MCA if I wanted a top, ultra-sharp database administrator to keep several mission-critical 2TB+ databases up and running. I wouldn't hire an MVP who's speciality is the inner workings of the query processor if I wanted someone to design and architect a massive database solution.
In short, it depends what I'm looking for in the new hire.
Example: MVP for SQL (Very high value about SQL technology) otherwise MCA contains (SQL, Exchange, SharePoint etc) and finally I can see that the MVP is just in specific area (in this case areas are Microsoft's Technology) so the MCA is the specialist with many areas (Microsoft's Technology)!
No. MCA is on one of the areas not all. So you can get MCA: Sharepoint or MCA: Exchange or MCA: Databases.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
June 18, 2009 at 6:58 am
I wouldn't even call it apples & grapefruit. I'd say it's apples & chairs that you're comparing. Good luck sitting on the former or eating the latter. MVP can be awarded for non-technical reasons. MCP is nothing but technical.
Sorry, just can't get into comparing the value of the two.
I will say, it seems like, most SQL Server MVP's are technical type of people.
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June 18, 2009 at 7:01 am
Grant Fritchey (6/18/2009)
I wouldn't even call it apples & grapefruit. I'd say it's apples & chairs that you're comparing. Good luck sitting on the former or eating the latter. MVP can be awarded for non-technical reasons. MCP is nothing but technical.Sorry, just can't get into comparing the value of the two.
I will say, it seems like, most SQL Server MVP's are technical type of people.
And your vote goes to ....http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic737392-61-1.aspx
June 18, 2009 at 7:24 am
that depends on your needs !
Do you need an aircraft or a T-bone steak ?
Johan
Learn to play, play to learn !
Dont drive faster than your guardian angel can fly ...
but keeping both feet on the ground wont get you anywhere :w00t:
- How to post Performance Problems
- How to post data/code to get the best help[/url]
- How to prevent a sore throat after hours of presenting ppt
press F1 for solution, press shift+F1 for urgent solution 😀
Need a bit of Powershell? How about this
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June 18, 2009 at 7:27 am
ALZDBA (6/18/2009)
that depends on your needs !Do you need an aircraft or a T-bone steak ?
And your vote goes for ...? - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic737392-61-1.aspx
June 18, 2009 at 7:36 am
I have met someone that is both and his head was empty yes the person was not SQL Server person if I remember correctly it was either Architecture or Infrastructure. I made a mental note not to pursue it because the MCA process had to be subjective for that person to get credentialed.
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Gift Peddie
June 18, 2009 at 8:28 am
As to which will be in first place, it'll depend on how fast they run. If, for example, I were an MCA (I'm not), and Gail were an MVP (she is), I'd have to say she'd be in first place, because she's in good physical condition and is athletic, while I'm overweight and underexercised, as well as being more than a decade older, so it's a pretty fair bet she can run faster/further than I can. In that case, the MVP would be in first place.
And, yes, that makes as much sense as the original question, if not more.
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June 18, 2009 at 8:33 am
GSquared (6/18/2009)
As to which will be in first place, it'll depend on how fast they run. If, for example, I were an MCA (I'm not), and Gail were an MVP (she is), I'd have to say she'd be in first place, because she's in good physical condition and is athletic, while I'm overweight and underexercised, as well as being more than a decade older, so it's a pretty fair bet she can run faster/further than I can. In that case, the MVP would be in first place.
RotFL (almost literally)
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
June 18, 2009 at 10:01 am
Not to mention she might trip you or toss you off the track if you get too close!:w00t:
June 18, 2009 at 10:03 am
MCA - Technical
MVP - community
the MVP can include technical work, but there are people that just support the Microsoft community in some area, like me, that don't necessarily do technical work.
June 18, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I just voted for MCA (since there is just one vote for this group so far it doesn't make the poll an anonymous one anymore). 😛
Reason:
The question is "Who is the most valuable ?"
So, lacking any further definition of "most valuable" I assumed the meaning of "most expensive".
And I do have the strong feeling that the MVP status would not bring you in the same income range as an MCA status. If I'm totally wrong, please correct me (and I'd be happy for all the MVPs on this forum - all except one 😉 )...
Note: I don't really consider the poll as being serious...
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