Adios, IE

  • Steve Jones - SSC Editor

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  • Eirikur Eiriksson

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    IE or Internet Exploiter as it's been known in the security community for years has given so much problems that it in hard start to fathom that problem. The death of IE is not coming too soon, it is our sense of security is coming too late!

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  • DanOrc

    SSC Enthusiast

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    oh man, you scared me!

    microsoft will end the support for older browsers not for all versions, that means that IE11 will be in place!

  • jch 57906

    Grasshopper

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    Steve, isn't it a bit of "click bait" to say alall versions of IE? IE11 continues to be supported on Win7+, including Windows 10. (And IE9 is still supported on Vista--for the crazy few still running that OS!)

    I'm used to you being a little more technically accurate; staying MSFT is dropping support for all versions of IE is just not right--and not the point.

  • mosaic-287947

    Ten Centuries

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    A case of wishful thinking?

  • Steve Jones - SSC Editor

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    Apologies, misread the piece. I thought it was everything before Edge, and not sure why I saw that, but I'm incorrect. It's all versions prior to 11.

    Not looking to bait and click anyone, just a mistake.

  • Eirikur Eiriksson

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    Steve Jones - SSC Editor (1/10/2016)


    Apologies, misread the piece. I thought it was everything before Edge, and not sure why I saw that, but I'm incorrect. It's all versions prior to 11.

    Not looking to bait and click anyone, just a mistake.

    Thanks for the post Steve, echoes my experience in a way, know it wasn't a click bait;-)

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  • peter.row

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    I predominately use IE and Edge and this piece (and some of the comments) are just FUD frankly.

    From IE9 onwards each version got better and better in terms of web standards and security. In hacking contests there have been times where Chrome was hacked but not IE.

    When people hate on IE they are typically not using the latest version, i.e. (no pun intended) they're using 8, or remembering the bad old days IE6 and 7. Frankly this is ridiculous.

    The reason that some sites fail is because the web is ironically doing the only-works-in-IE6 trick again. That is CSS for example only uses the webkit- prefix of certain style rules and does not include the non-prefixed WC3 version. Naturally Edge (or IE) doesn't recognise these prefixes and appears to fail. This is not IE or Edge at fault but the web site developers.

    In the case of Google they actively lie on purpose.

    For example Google Analytics when visited on Edge displays a message saying words to the effect of go-away-Edge-doesn't-work. However if you use Edges dev tools to change the user agent string to say Chrome as if by magic the site works 100% fine. In otherwords Google actively lied because as demonstrated by some of there other actions they love to hate on MS.

  • Gary Varga

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    I have trouble with all browsers that I use. Frankly as someone who has/does web development I put most of it down to poor development by web developers or unmaintained sites. Use a browser long enough and you will find a site that doesn't support that browser.

    Gaz

    -- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!

  • Gary Varga

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    peter.row (1/11/2016)


    ...The reason that some sites fail is because the web is ironically doing the only-works-in-IE6 trick again. That is CSS for example only uses the webkit- prefix of certain style rules and does not include the non-prefixed WC3 version. Naturally Edge (or IE) doesn't recognise these prefixes and appears to fail. This is not IE or Edge at fault but the web site developers...

    Yes. Developers using vendor specific support for pre-recommended standards and we are surprised when other vendors do not support it. Really?

    Gaz

    -- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!

  • SQLRNNR

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    Gary Varga (1/11/2016)


    I have trouble with all browsers that I use. Frankly as someone who has/does web development I put most of it down to poor development by web developers or unmaintained sites. Use a browser long enough and you will find a site that doesn't support that browser.

    +100

    Not a fan of the MS browsers but some sites only work with IE. And of course there are the broken sites that come with other browsers as well.

    I typically don't use the MS Browsers due to resource utilization. I recently found a single page in IE 11 to be consuming 2+Gb of memory. In Chrome, no problem with the memory use of that same page (even after days).

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  • Steve Jones - SSC Editor

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    peter.row (1/11/2016)


    I predominately use IE and Edge and this piece (and some of the comments) are just FUD frankly.

    Nope, not even close.

    I've actively had to use IE, all versions, including 11, in the last couple years. Up until sometime in the last year, I needed to actively use 3 Google accounts at the same time. Rather than play with VMs, I had IE 10 (then 11), FireFox, and Chrome running simultaneously with each other. IE just wasn't smooth for me. Not security, but rendering and performance was a problem on more sites than Chrome.

    Chrome has issues in some places, as does Firefox. However it hasn't felt like IE really worked as well for me as a user. Edge was worse, and I have it a try when I went to W10, but 2 or 3 sites I actively used didn't work properly, including Google Blogger. They worked fine in IE11, Chrome, and FF.

    IE has had issues, and I hate every time I build a Windows Server VM and need to use it to get started. It's just a mess with poorly implemented security limitations.

  • Alan Burstein

    SSC Guru

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    Good riddance, I'm a Chrome guy myself. The only time I have IE open is because some application/website that I am working with must work with IE (e.g. an SSRS Report). I do love and miss the ability to manage my favorites using Windows Explorer but that's really it. I was looking for the stats for my crappy old blog this weekend and 2% of the visitors are using IE. Chrome and Firefox dominate with like 90% of the browser market.

    I think that the Windows OS (though it will be around for a long time to come) is heading in the same direction for some of the same reasons that IE has met it's demise. My company offers the option to use a Mac and, If not for the ability run SQL Server locally I'd probably would've switched by now. I don't love apple, I just dislike Microsoft browser/OS technology that much.

    "I cant stress enough the importance of switching from a sequential files mindset to set-based thinking. After you make the switch, you can spend your time tuning and optimizing your queries instead of maintaining lengthy, poor-performing code."

    -- Itzik Ben-Gan 2001

  • Robert Sterbal

    SSChampion

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    I guess changing a headline is harder than admitting an error <ducks>

    What surprised me is that people are still buying solutions that are browser dependent.

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  • Ed Wagner

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    I'm one of those who refer to IE by the name Internet Exploiter. Years ago, I was a loyal Netscape user for years. By the time 4.6 came out, there were so many bugs that I thought they were getting out of control and I switched. I still loathed IE and switched to Firefox. I still use it. I tried Chrome when it first came out and didn't like the bugs in in it, but it's gotten much better. I still use Firefox, but have encountered a few problems with it. I use IE only when I absolutely have to and I don't like doing it then.

    Edge seems to have it's own set of problems already. I've also seen a single tab hogging an extraordinary about of memory when the page runs fine in Firefox. I hope they get it cleaned up and don't have an extra 50 pounds of extra custom stuff just to support their browser.

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