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Dating Your Employer


Dating Your Employer

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Working freelance I think this applies far less to me, however, having been a permanent employee and working with permanent employees, some of whom I am lucky enough to still call friends, I cannot encourage people to strongly consider this advice.

By the very nature of freelancing, I move from company to company and find that how good a place is to work at for anyone is based on the culture most of all and not the facilities, size of company, sector nor location. Remember that you are putting yourself up to possibly spending the rest of your working life there (dating analogy still applying?).

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Very good advice. So how's your job hunt going so far Steve?!
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Having just been on the job market for 4 months over the summer (what a great time to be without a job), I can't agree more. But even before the first date is the talk with Yenta the matchmaker. That's a whole dance in itself, whether it's an agency or an internal recruiter.

In my recent job search, I found there were two types of first dates. One was like meeting over a cup of coffee at Starbucks or similar, and having a nice conversation. The other seemed to me more like being given a cup of coffee, but sitting in an interrogation room at the local police station and being grilled. Guess which one I favored.

Side question: I had an interview of the latter sort where after a half hour of grilling me, the interviewer excused himself and left the room. For over 30 minutes! Question to the audience: At what point would you have left? I didn't leave because this was my first or second interview being back on the market, and after the first 5 minutes I knew I wasn't going to come back for another, so I decided to use it as practice.

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Tom Bakerman (9/27/2013)
...Side question: I had an interview of the latter sort where after a half hour of grilling me, the interviewer excused himself and left the room. For over 30 minutes! Question to the audience: At what point would you have left? I didn't leave because this was my first or second interview being back on the market, and after the first 5 minutes I knew I wasn't going to come back for another, so I decided to use it as practice...


I hate this practice. It does not differentiate between lack of initiative and manners. I suppose, to argue with myself, one could go to reception, however, if I made it to reception only to find out it was a test I feel that I would be unlikely to accept any offer.

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...Side question: I had an interview of the latter sort where after a half hour of grilling me, the interviewer excused himself and left the room. For over 30 minutes! Question to the audience: At what point would you have left? I didn't leave because this was my first or second interview being back on the market, and after the first 5 minutes I knew I wasn't going to come back for another, so I decided to use it as practice...


I hate this practice. It does not differentiate between lack of initiative and manners. I suppose, to argue with myself, one could go to reception, however, if I made it to reception only to find out it was a test I feel that I would be unlikely to accept any offer.


Leaving an interviewee for half an hour to stew is a practice? I once had the interviewer show up about half an hour late for the interview. I didn't really try on the interview after that since I had no intention of working there but went through the paces as a sort of practice anyway. Nowadays we have smartphones so I'd likely fire up a round of Plants vs Zombies or something like that and if there was no interviewer when I had finished (10-15 minutes), I'd probably just let someone know that I'm leaving. Wouldn't want to work somewhere that disrespects someone. If there was some kind of emergency (like kid in the hospital thing, not project behind schedule and stakeholder needs to talk thing) then they'll call, apologize and offer reschedule.
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...Side question: I had an interview of the latter sort where after a half hour of grilling me, the interviewer excused himself and left the room. For over 30 minutes! Question to the audience: At what point would you have left? I didn't leave because this was my first or second interview being back on the market, and after the first 5 minutes I knew I wasn't going to come back for another, so I decided to use it as practice...


I hate this practice. It does not differentiate between lack of initiative and manners. I suppose, to argue with myself, one could go to reception, however, if I made it to reception only to find out it was a test I feel that I would be unlikely to accept any offer.


Leaving an interviewee for half an hour to stew is a practice? I once had the interviewer show up about half an hour late for the interview. I didn't really try on the interview after that since I had no intention of working there but went through the paces as a sort of practice anyway. Nowadays we have smartphones so I'd likely fire up a round of Plants vs Zombies or something like that and if there was no interviewer when I had finished (10-15 minutes), I'd probably just let someone know that I'm leaving. Wouldn't want to work somewhere that disrespects someone. If there was some kind of emergency (like kid in the hospital thing, not project behind schedule and stakeholder needs to talk thing) then they'll call, apologize and offer reschedule.

This is a practice? I hadn't even considered that! I thought it was just rude. The guy came back after the 30 or so minutes and thanked me for my time. That was it, interview over.
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... and definitely negotiate on the benefits (remember that you should care about your total benefit stack and value, not just the salary) ...

Benefits are negotiable? Does anyone here work for an organization where benefits (healthcare plan, paid time off, etc.) are negotiable?


"The universe is complicated and for the most part beyond your control, but your life is only as complicated as you choose it to be."
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Practice? Oh yes!!! I believe that it comes from the field of Management Consulting. Who's surprised now?

Gaz

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Eric M Russell (9/27/2013)
... and definitely negotiate on the benefits (remember that you should care about your total benefit stack and value, not just the salary) ...

Benefits are negotiable? Does anyone here work for an organization where benefits (healthcare plan, paid time off, etc.) are negotiable?


My last two jobs I negotiated to get an extra week of vacation over their standard and got it. I think things like healthcare and dental aren't as negotiable at most companies.

It never hurts to ask, the worst thing they can do is say no.
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