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What do you look for in a Database Audit?


What do you look for in a Database Audit?

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Rajib Bahar
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I am curious to find out what your team does when it comes to database audit?

Here are a list of questions from me:
- Do you check schema only to make sure it conforms to best practice?
- Do you check data against business rules?
- Do you perform any standard check on function and stored procedures?

I would like to hear more on this from this community.

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Depends completely on the objectives of the audit
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I agree with Taylor. It depends on what you're doing.

Is this a technical audit? looking for adherence to best practices? Corporate standards? Something else?

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rajib (12/23/2008)
I am curious to find out what your team does when it comes to database audit?

Here are a list of questions from me:
- Do you check schema only to make sure it conforms to best practice?
- Do you check data against business rules?
- Do you perform any standard check on function and stored procedures?

I would like to hear more on this from this community.

Thanks


Actually, if you haven't been doing those 3 things all along, you're likely in deep trouble in all 3 areas. Wink

For an "accounting" or SEC audits, you need to have proof that you've been doing all 3 of those all along as well as proving that theres a viable audit trail for changes in the DDL, DML, or the data itself.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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I love the word "depends". BigGrin

How about we assume that I'm looking for everything (3 things mentioned above as well as other items not listed there)? I am interested in learning what others have done in their projects. That's all.

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It's not that we don't want to answer, but this could be a book's worth of writing. We're asking what the goals of the audit are?

Most auditing is to determine what has happened or what things are changing. You've mentioned a few things that aren't in that area, but are more of a reivew.

What's the purpose of your audit?

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rajib (12/26/2008)
I love the word "depends". BigGrin

How about we assume that I'm looking for everything (3 things mentioned above as well as other items not listed there)? I am interested in learning what others have done in their projects. That's all.


Then I believe it's going to boil down to what I said... those 3 things, a viable audit trail for all changes, and security. On the security side for things like SEC and SOX audits, you'll be asked to prove that not even DBA's can change the data without an audit trail being left. That's just about impossible unless you have a shop where the DBA's don't have SA access.

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RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
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Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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Steve Jones - Editor (12/26/2008)
It's not that we don't want to answer, but this could be a book's worth of writing. We're asking what the goals of the audit are?

Most auditing is to determine what has happened or what things are changing. You've mentioned a few things that aren't in that area, but are more of a reivew.

What's the purpose of your audit?


I asked this question to learn more from my peers. I want to learn how every industry does their audit on their sql server. I saw some good response on concerns and issues raised in sarbanes oxley standard. Similarly, I would like to learn about other industry regulation such as HIPAA and others. I hope this kind of open ended question is OK to ask in this SSC forum.

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No standard including SOX, RFR/fact, sas 70, hipaa, pci, MA 201 etc. Provide guidance on implementation. At the end of the day you dbas know your systems and weaknesses better than auditors. That said there are no requirements on how to secure or configure databases to be compliant with sox.

Regardint the point of this thread, if you want to self assess across compliance requirements check out appdetective or ask me, I've dabbled in db auditing departments at my firm
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rajib (12/26/2008)
I hope this kind of open ended question is OK to ask in this SSC forum.

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Absolutely... it does help folks understand if they know you know it's a very open question and that a specific answer isn't necessarily what you're after. You're just looking for discussion as to what some folks may have done.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced ree-bar and is a Modenism for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column.
Although they tell us that they want it real bad, our primary goal is to ensure that we dont actually give it to them that way.
Although change is inevitable, change for the better is not.
Just because you can do something in PowerShell, doesnt mean you should. Wink

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