What's in a name?

  • shoestringdba

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    I was thinking SSDT, too.

    Software updates in general seem to be driven more by marketing and perception than anything else, and don't EVEN get me started on version numbers. Just about the time you finish your procurement process, test a new version of something and are reasonably sure it won't break anything critical, you get to start all over again.

    Personally, I prefer the approach of something like Slackware that gets released when it's darn good and ready, as opposed to the latest "Yowling Yak" followed near-instantaneously by "zig-zagging zebra" where the differences are so incremental you wonder: "Was a new version REALLY necessary?"

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  • Koen Verbeeck

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    george sibbald (7/19/2013)


    renamed to SSDTBI to avoid confusion! could have fooled me.

    So with SQL2012 and 2014 install media we dont get the option to install the BIDS equivalent? that sounds a backward step. Or have I misunderstood?

    Are SSDT and SSDTBI separate things? which one do I install for developing SSIS packages?

    :unsure:

    No no, only with the SQL 2014 CTP1 install media there's no option to install a business intelligence development environment. I believe this is because it's just a CTP, used for testing purposes. This issue will probably dissapear in future releases.

    When installing SQL Server 2012, you install SSDT, which is essentially BIDS in Visual Studio 2010. SSDTBI is essentially BIDS in Visual Studio 2012.

    When developing SSIS packages for SQL Server 2012, you can install SSDT (VS 2010) during the set-up, or you can download SSDTBI (VS 2012) as a seperate tool. Both products can develop SSIS packages for SQL Server 2012. The only difference is that in SSDTBI you have to look at the ugly Visual Studio 2012 interface.

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  • OCTom

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    Wait?!?!? It's not Notepad?!?!?

    :w00t:

  • george sibbald

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    Koen Verbeeck (7/19/2013)


    george sibbald (7/19/2013)


    renamed to SSDTBI to avoid confusion! could have fooled me.

    So with SQL2012 and 2014 install media we dont get the option to install the BIDS equivalent? that sounds a backward step. Or have I misunderstood?

    Are SSDT and SSDTBI separate things? which one do I install for developing SSIS packages?

    :unsure:

    No no, only with the SQL 2014 CTP1 install media there's no option to install a business intelligence development environment. I believe this is because it's just a CTP, used for testing purposes. This issue will probably dissapear in future releases.

    When installing SQL Server 2012, you install SSDT, which is essentially BIDS in Visual Studio 2010. SSDTBI is essentially BIDS in Visual Studio 2012.

    When developing SSIS packages for SQL Server 2012, you can install SSDT (VS 2010) during the set-up, or you can download SSDTBI (VS 2012) as a seperate tool. Both products can develop SSIS packages for SQL Server 2012. The only difference is that in SSDTBI you have to look at the ugly Visual Studio 2012 interface.

    cheers

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  • george sibbald

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    OCTom (7/19/2013)


    Wait?!?!? It's not Notepad?!?!?

    :w00t:

    at least one person thought so (no it wasn't me :-))

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  • Rich Weissler

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    This question will be fun for the poor soul who attempts to answer the question in 2017 and tries to guess what might have been considered 'current' way back in the middle of 2013, before SQL 2014 was released.

  • Koen Verbeeck

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    Rich Weissler (7/19/2013)


    This question will be fun for the poor soul who attempts to answer the question in 2017 and tries to guess what might have been considered 'current' way back in the middle of 2013, before SQL 2014 was released.

    It's called question of the day, not question of 4 years ago. 😛

    Besides, haven't people in 2017 better things to do? 😀

    (on-topic: if Microsoft decides to keep the current name, SSDTBI will still be the correct answer in 2017)

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  • Vinay Kumar

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    OCTom (7/19/2013)


    Wait?!?!? It's not Notepad?!?!?

    :w00t:

    Great one !!!

    :w00t::crazy::laugh::laugh::laugh:

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  • Bill Mitchell

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    I took the "you" personally and since my version is SQL Server 2008 R2, the dev environment "I" use is BIDS. 🙂

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  • sneumersky

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  • Miles Neale

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    SSDT is what I downloaded and installed. So it was logical that I would select the product I use.

    Very tricky question, but as always good to know. 🙂

    Thanks!

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  • Revenant

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    I work with this animal daily... Thanks, Koen!

  • cdesmarais 49673

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    OCTom (7/19/2013)


    Wait?!?!? It's not Notepad?!?!?

    :w00t:

    The question specifies "in which -you- create BI solutions"

    So yeah, for me that would be notepad.:-P

  • Ken Wymore

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    Koen Verbeeck (7/19/2013)


    Rich Weissler (7/19/2013)


    This question will be fun for the poor soul who attempts to answer the question in 2017 and tries to guess what might have been considered 'current' way back in the middle of 2013, before SQL 2014 was released.

    It's called question of the day, not question of 4 years ago. 😛

    Besides, haven't people in 2017 better things to do? 😀

    (on-topic: if Microsoft decides to keep the current name, SSDTBI will still be the correct answer in 2017)

    It will change again by 2015 if marketing has anything to say about it. 😀 Frankly I would rather see it go back to BIDS.

  • Hany Helmy

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    Good to know some new info. 😉

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