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The TCO of the Cloud


The TCO of the Cloud

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I still prefer the idea of a private cloud inside a company where database services are provided, not database instances.


There it is, I agree. At least for large enough companies where it makes sense.
I still believe cloud services are way to limited for now, if you look at more than only the database part. Which makes migrating from and to a huge issue.

Renting an ordinary virtualized server is so much easier for existing systems if you dont want to handle hardware yourself, in my view.
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We run a system that is a hybrid.

local hardware for our internal needs, cloud hosted servers for computational grunt and cloud services (such as ddb, EMR and SQS) for all of the simple stuff.

it works well for us - you just have to figure out which one is best for that component of your solution - nobody says you have to "JUST" use one type of solution

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From what I have seen, external cloud increases costs. Every quote we have received has been overly expensive. Add to that the costs associated with increased risk - I don't see this being feasible as often as it is being pushed.

I don't consider internal to be a cloud.

We have implemented some systems which are hosted, but in most cases that was the only option the vendor offered. Having some third party host our servers and applications hasn't proven valuable.

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while i dont recommend MS PaaS to any of my clients esp those with critical projects. I think a lot of small companies I work with are benefiting from Iaas as provided by amazon ,rackspace etc.

I think there is a strong argument for big companies to migrate thier dev and test environments to the cloud ( vs virtualization) and continue to host the prod systems on in house infra.

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What's the difference between "the cloud" and a data centre providing hosting? A lot of companies that I've worked with over the years have been quite happy to move their data/processing operations out to a 3rd party data centre, but seem to resist moving operations to "the cloud". As far as I can determine, "the cloud" is just a large data centre (or centres) run by amazon/MS/Google.

That being said, the latest MS offering for SQL Azure seems like quite a nice "fit" for those businesses (or lines of business) that need to upgrade their MS Access databases to something more substantial.
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Folks on this thread would benefit by looking into ScaleGrid (http://www.scalegrid.net).

It seems like a MS SQL as a Service solution for in house virtualization solutions.
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What's the difference between "the cloud" and a data centre providing hosting? A lot of companies that I've worked with over the years have been quite happy to move their data/processing operations out to a 3rd party data centre, but seem to resist moving operations to "the cloud". As far as I can determine, "the cloud" is just a large data centre (or centres) run by amazon/MS/Google.

That being said, the latest MS offering for SQL Azure seems like quite a nice "fit" for those businesses (or lines of business) that need to upgrade their MS Access databases to something more substantial.


No difference. Amazon EC2 is no different than a colocation facility, other than you don't need to buy the hardware. It's equivalent to running a set of VMs from Rackspace.

It can be more, a service or platform (SaaS or PaaS), which is what you get from Salesforce (SaaS) or Azure/RDS (PaaS).

It's funny to me. So many people resisted going to colocated servers, or renting web servers in 1999. Now it's something people think about instantly. The same will happen with the cloud, which is really just the same thing.

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Jayanth_Kurup (5/22/2012)
I think there is a strong argument for big companies to migrate thier dev and test environments to the cloud ( vs virtualization) and continue to host the prod systems on in house infra.


Now that isn't a bad idea.

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