Well, understand, I am adopting a middle way on this. Unfortunately I'm working with developers who are not. They're goal, stated, is to get DBA's out of the way so that they can deliver code faster. There is no though to data integrity, data integration, reporting systems or long term maintenance. They're not alone in this attitude and most of the people who have this attitude have latched on to ORM tools as the mechanism to enable a code only approach to application development. No more need for that messy TSQL stuff.