Tnx Gail,

Just what i needed to know,

The ghost backup is for system disaster recovery,

Database backups are not with ghost,

I use Red gate SqlBackup for this. + from time to time a normal backup for the ease of restoring to another development server

little question here arise also:

i take daily Full backups using sqlbackup

i take log backups every 15'

if i then also take a full backup using sqlserver on a certain point will the log chain not be broken eg, possible restore with red gates sqlbackup.? or is sqlserver clever enouch to see the difference.?

for the other question:

I will include all system databases except tempdb in my maintenance plan for daily backups.

Eddy