Very true. That supports a lot of what I've been saying in the C#/C++ wars. If you challenge yourself to learn C#, and then you still think it's crap, then fine... but I don't put any stock in the opinions of people who haven't tried it. I challenge myself in many ways with hobbies stuff, but at work I'm pretty reluctant to try new things sometimes. I usually end up doing it eventually when I realize that the new thing would have saved me a lot of grief. I have to balance quality and speed of development though, because I am usually behind on my work... ugh...