• This is one of those phrases that has its original meaning subverted. Another is "We are where we are" which has gone from meaning "we cannot change the past so lets change the present" to "we cannot change anything so lets continue with the shoddy practices". It is these perversions that change the whole culture of a work environment.

    To me they also tend to show weakness and coercion towards poor practices.

    Gaz

    -- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!