• I think that these groups are great as long as their long term task is to make their own existence redundant (even if we believe that this may never happen). Why do I say this? Simply because they exist because they need to. Those that have agreed with my sentiment do not want to be separated from the majorities themselves but feel that the have been excluded by the majority (or by a small group that exist within the majority). That is a shame and it must be the long term goal for these groups to invalidate themselves.

    The pragmatist in me says that they will be around for some time to come. The idealists wants them gone today. Unfortunately, the pragmatists wins

    Gaz

    -- Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...they're everywhere!!!