+1 You have no idea how many arguments I had with various vendors with some latest and greatest application that used the database as simply a container with no referential integrity built into it. Along with that I'd hear things like "we've built a smart application where data integrity has been enforced in the front end and really doesn't need to be on the database"..... I would simply get up and show them the door...

Some people don't get it. I certainly will not stand for bad design.... not in my shop!

Kurt