Hi Jeff

I looked up the def for routines view in SQL 2005 and here' what i found ,

o.create_date AS CREATED,

o.modify_date AS LAST_ALTERED

FROM

sys.objects$ o LEFT JOIN sys.parameters c

ON (c.object_id = o.object_id AND c.parameter_id = 0)

I tried it out an it worked fine. Could you provide an example where this would fail ?