yup no DBA is the way to go - funny I always seem to end up in contracts with companies who thought that way! On the plus side it enables me to charge more < grin >

btw.

Cloud is a marketing ploy - if you're an international company ( my current client is active in nearly 100 countries ) and our data centre is based in the UK - I figure that counts as cloud as it's not in any of our offices and we all access it through the internet. Oh yes and I'm a DBA !