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I found the line “For the most part people are fairly well behaved”quite a damning statement. I’ve only been to UK conferences, a few SQL Saturdays and SQL BITS and never seen behaviour that I’d consider a problem. When there’s been technical problems, people (including me) have left sessions and spoken to the organisers about them, but I’ve not noticed any confrontation.

I’ve not seen a lot of what goes on behind the scenes, but even so, I’m surprised that there are as many problems as is being implied.


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So, no more "Help me CAST(CONVERT()) my Tinyint to Bigint?" Whistling Joking aside, I didn't have the time to attend SQLPass this year myself however I'm aswell surprised as Simon that such things do happen and what could be done to prevent things like that.


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"common framework where we can evaluate behavior"

Isn't that called the law?
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Its been a few years since I've been to any conference, what with unemployment and now working for an organization that doesn't believe in sending any of their IT people anywhere, for anything. But hopefully I'll get a chance to attend a conference again. But the behaviors you've described here, Steve, are appalling to me. Every conference I've attended everyone I saw behaved well. The only wild behavior I ever experienced was when something new was announced from the podium that everyone was excited about. People would then stand and shout out their enthusiasm, but that's it. Sad that bad behavior has happened at conferences or that some people have felt threaten.

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stevescanlan - Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:16 AM
"common framework where we can evaluate behavior"

Isn't that called the law?


It's law for government. It's an agreement or framework or something else for non government systems.

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So it's easy to be surprised by this if you don't see it, but it's also easy to be ignorant of behaviors that don't seem to be much to you.

I haven't seen poor behaviors during the day, but at night, when alcohol flows, I have seen people (mostly men) start to move towards a line that I'm uncomfortable with and flirt or pressure others (mostly women). More than a few have asked me to stick by them or escort them so nothing bad happens. Happy to help, sad it's needed, and a pain as I don't want to singly escort a women back, so I need to pull someone else with me.

It happens, and I am glad that more people and organizations are recognizing the need to require and enforce better behavior.

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:00 AM
So it's easy to be surprised by this if you don't see it, but it's also easy to be ignorant of behaviors that don't seem to be much to you.

I haven't seen poor behaviors during the day, but at night, when alcohol flows, I have seen people (mostly men) start to move towards a line that I'm uncomfortable with and flirt or pressure others (mostly women). More than a few have asked me to stick by them or escort them so nothing bad happens. Happy to help, sad it's needed, and a pain as I don't want to singly escort a women back, so I need to pull someone else with me.

It happens, and I am glad that more people and organizations are recognizing the need to require and enforce better behavior.


Ah, sorry, I didn't realise that's where the problem was. I'm no party-goer, so I've never stayed on in the evenings.
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor - Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:00 AM

I haven't seen poor behaviors during the day, but at night, when alcohol flows, I have seen people (mostly men) start to move towards a line that I'm uncomfortable with and flirt or pressure others (mostly women).

Steve, this will possibly get me banned from this site, but here goes. I've just about had enough of the current 'Me too' movement, and it's maybe time for us guys to start a 'You too' movement'. I'm just an old guy who remembers when things were different. What with current standards of female attire and deportment, my response has become 'Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it'.

I do see that you sort of acknowledge this with your inclusion of the comment 'mostly' (as regards the greater part or number). Isn't there a current TV spot that says 'We know a few things because we've seen a few things'. Until this situation gets realized, I can only say 'Get over it'.

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That might be the reason I never noticed something like that, I tend to raid the Hotel Bar in the evenings and last time I stayed at Olive8 I was the only one (known to me attending PASS) doing the good ole "maximize your cocktail input in the shortest time" before heading to sleep (which I will do again next time, sometimes you have to push the Garbage Collector Button yourself). During our local Chapter evening out I haven't noticed anything like that either. I didn't stay too long that evening when we went to the Gaming Center (which was asides the Welcome Cocktail thingy the only thing I remember back then being organized for all attendees) so I can't judge that. Actually, not sure if the "Networking" Meeting took place outside the Conference Center but I think not, it was just late in the evening.

So maybe someone's ignorance might be partly because some events aren't even that well communicated (or might be something I simply am not aware of PASS is doing these days) or he / she doesn't see this as paid holidays and prefers / has to do other stuff in the evening. And yes it's sad and in the case(s) you encountered definitely needed, though I agree that better behavior should be enforced. The question is how? Ban booze and have everyone give a sample of blood on a daily basis and those that fail have to leave? I would consider that booze is the main point in some of this behavior but I'm not sure how to tackle this. If it's a PASS organized evening out in the city you might ask everyone to have their badges visible at all times so you could at least Name people who did wrong but once you go somewhere with what? 50 - 3000 People and do not have such requirements in place I would not be able to even track down a single person afterwards, let alone the next morning.
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