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DevOps Isn't Perfect


DevOps Isn't Perfect

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I was recently at a place where delivery was not done very well. They put in place a (permanent) DevOps initiative and they have improved and, for more importantly, continue to do so. They would never have achieved this if they weren't committed to the DevOps principle of continuous development.

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I've not yet worked anywhere big enough to have a distinct Operations team sadly. We (development) always write the theme tune, sing the theme tune. This is now changing but slowly enough. I hope to do some of this learning that is spoken of and divest at least a few responsibilities!
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call.copse - Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:24 AM
I've not yet worked anywhere big enough to have a distinct Operations team sadly. We (development) always write the theme tune, sing the theme tune. This is now changing but slowly enough. I hope to do some of this learning that is spoken of and divest at least a few responsibilities!

I consider myself a good database Developer/Admin, but you wouldn't want me messing with your website configuration. Where I work now, we have a dedicated DevOps team. They do things like IIS configuration, domain account administration, instrumentation and automation for deployments, etc. Essentially they perform an assortment of roles and tasks across the enterprise that in some organizations a developer or database admin might have been expected to do occasionally, except a DevOps specialist takes it to the next level professionally. But, of course, everyone in IT is a link in the overall DevOps chain; it's not just a department. Even a small company with a handful of IT employees can apply the principles of DevOps.



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I've not yet worked anywhere big enough to have a distinct Operations team sadly. We (development) always write the theme tune, sing the theme tune. This is now changing but slowly enough. I hope to do some of this learning that is spoken of and divest at least a few responsibilities!

I consider myself a good database Developer/Admin, but you wouldn't want me messing with your website configuration. Where I work now, we have a dedicated DevOps team. They do things like IIS configuration, domain account administration, instrumentation and automation for deployments, etc. Essentially they perform an assortment of roles and tasks across the enterprise that in some organizations a developer or database admin might have been expected to do occasionally, except a DevOps specialist takes it to the next level professionally. But, of course, everyone in IT is a link in the overall DevOps chain; it's not just a department. Even a small company with a handful of IT employees can apply the principles of DevOps.

This division of work also keeps developers from having unrestricted system access as both control over code and administrative access is often considered a poor situation when considering security.


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Gary Varga - Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:01 AM
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call.copse - Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:24 AM
I've not yet worked anywhere big enough to have a distinct Operations team sadly. We (development) always write the theme tune, sing the theme tune. This is now changing but slowly enough. I hope to do some of this learning that is spoken of and divest at least a few responsibilities!

I consider myself a good database Developer/Admin, but you wouldn't want me messing with your website configuration. Where I work now, we have a dedicated DevOps team. They do things like IIS configuration, domain account administration, instrumentation and automation for deployments, etc. Essentially they perform an assortment of roles and tasks across the enterprise that in some organizations a developer or database admin might have been expected to do occasionally, except a DevOps specialist takes it to the next level professionally. But, of course, everyone in IT is a link in the overall DevOps chain; it's not just a department. Even a small company with a handful of IT employees can apply the principles of DevOps.

This division of work also keeps developers from having unrestricted system access as both control over code and administrative access is often considered a poor situation when considering security.

If you use the right tools (we are using MS Release Manager), you can perform the deployments with a service ID, and not have any human intervention at all, other than having a suitable approver act as the final check on the move to production. We are automating almost every phase of our processes, from backups to acceptance/development from production to executing SQL scripts, to deploying code. I wish we had these tools a long time ago - it would have prevented a number of issues over the years.

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Eric M Russell - Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:52 AM

I consider myself a good database Developer/Admin, but you wouldn't want me messing with your website configuration. Where I work now, we have a dedicated DevOps team. They do things like IIS configuration, domain account administration, instrumentation and automation for deployments, etc. Essentially they perform an assortment of roles and tasks across the enterprise that in some organizations a developer or database admin might have been expected to do occasionally, except a DevOps specialist takes it to the next level professionally. But, of course, everyone in IT is a link in the overall DevOps chain; it's not just a department. Even a small company with a handful of IT employees can apply the principles of DevOps.

I see this happening as companies look to adopt more of a DevOps mentality. A team focuses, and slowly trains others. Eventually many departments are involved, in their way.


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Isn't a separate DevOps team defeating the whole point? Wasn't the idea to bring people together and not to create a new priesthood?

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David.Poole - Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:17 AM
Isn't a separate DevOps team defeating the whole point? Wasn't the idea to bring people together and not to create a new priesthood?

I find that this generally turns out to be the case. I have seen temporary DevOps teams work (pooled from developers and operational support unsurprisingly) when the principles are trying to be first introduced almost as a process POC.


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Yes and no. What seems to work well is a DevOps team coming together, building a POC or working through projects, but being on call as advisors that go to other teams, show what has worked and hasn't, and act as consultants to enable others to start implementing the practices.

Ultimately, the issue is that trust, understanding and confidence are in short supply. It helps to have a group to lean on and guide you through the particulars of your organization. This does help reduce some of the chef problem where each new group gets excited, has to relearn the same skills as others, but perhaps in a different way. Or they don't come up with solutions that work well.

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