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[quote]Jan Van der Eecken (8/29/2013)

The cost issue is normal here in the UK as electronic books are taxed (VAT) and paper ones not.


So you'd think, but Amazon has managed to find a loophole in this arrangement for Kindle books and pay the Luxembourg rate (3%) rather than the UK rate (20%) for digital goods, so that argument doesn't really wash.
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Curious. I always thought that VAT was applied to all "processed" items. Could you inform a clueless American as to why paper books don't get VAT applied?


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VAT in the UK varies a lot.

re http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/goods-services.htm#7

And specifically an excerpt from HMRC Reference:Notice 701/10 (December 2011)

2. The format of the Group 3 items

The words in Group 3 are used in their ordinary, everyday sense. This means they are restricted to goods produced on paper and similar materials such as card (but see paragraph 3.7). Most items qualifying for the zero-rating will be products of the printing industry (including items printed in Braille), but goods which are photocopied, typed or hand-written will, in some cases, also qualify.

Goods containing text in other formats such as audio or video cassettes or CD Rom are standard-rated. This includes the storage and distribution of text by fax, e-mail, microfiche, or any similar process. Transcripts or print-outs made of such information are zero-rated if they are supplied in the form of books, booklets, brochures, pamphlets or leaflets as defined in section 3.

The supply of text by electronic transmission (including e-books), via the internet, or similar means is also standard-rated. Such supplies are of services, not of goods, and different VAT rules will apply to them (such as those on the place of supply of services – see Notice 741A Place of supply of services.

How odd Jan,

When I've just added to the basket the 50% came up straightaway. I wonder if it's only available in certain countries?

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Curious. I always thought that VAT was applied to all "processed" items. Could you inform a clueless American as to why paper books don't get VAT applied?


Stupid government

VAT in the UK varies a lot.

re http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/goods-services.htm#7

And specifically an excerpt from HMRC Reference:Notice 701/10 (December 2011)

2. The format of the Group 3 items

The words in Group 3 are used in their ordinary, everyday sense. This means they are restricted to goods produced on paper and similar materials such as card (but see paragraph 3.7). Most items qualifying for the zero-rating will be products of the printing industry (including items printed in Braille), but goods which are photocopied, typed or hand-written will, in some cases, also qualify.

Goods containing text in other formats such as audio or video cassettes or CD Rom are standard-rated. This includes the storage and distribution of text by fax, e-mail, microfiche, or any similar process. Transcripts or print-outs made of such information are zero-rated if they are supplied in the form of books, booklets, brochures, pamphlets or leaflets as defined in section 3.

The supply of text by electronic transmission (including e-books), via the internet, or similar means is also standard-rated. Such supplies are of services, not of goods, and different VAT rules will apply to them (such as those on the place of supply of services – see Notice 741A Place of supply of services.

How odd Jan,

When I've just added to the basket the 50% came up straightaway. I wonder if it's only available in certain countries?

Rodders...


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[quote]Jan Van der Eecken (8/29/2013)

The cost issue is normal here in the UK as electronic books are taxed (VAT) and paper ones not.


So you'd think, but Amazon has managed to find a loophole in this arrangement for Kindle books and pay the Luxembourg rate (3%) rather than the UK rate (20%) for digital goods, so that argument doesn't really wash.


I was not aware of the difference to be honest, only that e-books were taxed.

Maybe it is covered by the paragraph highlighted in my previous post in respect of 'the place of supply of services (as e-books are classed as a service)

Maybe it is just another vagary of UK VAT rules and the many loopholes people seem to find.



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YAY! I have a new computer at work.

Which means I have just spent all morning recovering all my SSMS options, importing my email files, etc. etc. And now I have to figure out how to force BIDS to open up T-SQL into SSMS.

I did it once. I just can't remember where the setting is hiding.


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YAY! I have a new computer at work.

Which means I have just spent all morning recovering all my SSMS options, importing my email files, etc. etc. And now I have to figure out how to force BIDS to open up T-SQL into SSMS.

I did it once. I just can't remember where the setting is hiding.


Congrats. I just got a new laptop. Now I need to come to terms with Windows 8...


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ARGGGGH!

The crappy thing about a new computer?

Trying to remember what I did many years ago to get the CTRL-SHIFT-C and CTRL-SHIFT-R combinations to comment out code in SQL 2008. I can't freaking find it and Google is hopeless.

I tried setting the keyboard schema to SQL 2000, but it's not working. Grrr.


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ARGGGGH!

The crappy thing about a new computer?

Trying to remember what I did many years ago to get the CTRL-SHIFT-C and CTRL-SHIFT-R combinations to comment out code in SQL 2008. I can't freaking find it and Google is hopeless.

I tried setting the keyboard schema to SQL 2000, but it's not working. Grrr.


I don't remember how to change it but you could just use the native shortcuts. (ctrl+k+c and ctrl+k+u). The upside is that if you use visual studio the keyboard shortcuts are the same.


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