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SQLRNNR
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Posted Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:28 PM
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Steve Jones - Editor (8/10/2010)
Apologies to anyone that feels I crossed the line into too much advertising. I was asked to write something on this product, and I think I failed to editorialize on it properly.
I did think this particular feature was cool, and it is different. Idera's product is very cool as well, but it gives you a read only look. This one actually allows write back, so you could in fact, "mount" a database and test, or run your application against it and see where something failed. It's unique (for now), and I think a fairly innovative integration into SQL Server.
This seems like a cool feature.
My concern, are you writing back to the BAK file? I would be very leery about being able to change data in the backup file. I am curious to know how the whole thing works.
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Posted Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:47 AM
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jeff,
I found that if you back up the transaction log after each Index Rebuild you don't have the log growing very much at all.
Steve
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Posted Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:29 AM
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The backup file isn't changed. What happens when you do the restore is that the mdf/ldf/ndf are created as sparse files. All reads from these files are redirected to the backup file, while the writes go to the sparse files. So the backup file is intact, but your changes are recorded, similar to a database snapshot.
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jeff.mason
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Posted Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:36 AM
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If only it were just a growing log file. We have separate files for very large tables on separate LUNs and spindles, and I found that those files double in size on a reindex. Data files, not log files. The distribution works great in live, but then there's tons of empty space that the restore has to consume on a restore and that space isn't there in dev.
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Charles Kincaid
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Posted Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:40 AM
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Steve Jones - Editor (8/11/2010)
The backup file isn't changed. What happens when you do the restore is that the mdf/ldf/ndf are created as sparse files. All reads from these files are redirected to the backup file, while the writes go to the sparse files. So the backup file is intact, but your changes are recorded, similar to a database snapshot.
Thanks for the clarification. I take it that in order to remove the restored database you DROP DATABASE just like anything else.
So your backup checkup of doing the fast restore and DBCC does not go far enough, IMHO. One should go a step farther and use SQL Compare to match the objects and the contents.
Then
you can say that your backups work.
ATB
Charles Kincaid
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Steve Jones - Editor (8/11/2010)
The backup file isn't changed. What happens when you do the restore is that the mdf/ldf/ndf are created as sparse files. All reads from these files are redirected to the backup file, while the writes go to the sparse files. So the backup file is intact, but your changes are recorded, similar to a database snapshot.
Thanks for clarifying.
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Posted Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:15 PM
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I typically don't respond to posts but since 'advertising' is already a hot topic here....
Idera's SQL virtual database is not read-only and allows inserts, updates, deletes, dbcc commands, etc. It supports SQLsafe (compressed and encrypted) and native backups including compressed native backups.
Heather Sullivan
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Idera
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My apologies, Heather, for the implication. I was not aware that the Idera product had write capabilities. I have updated the editorial with a note as well.
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Posted Friday, August 20, 2010 2:09 PM
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Steve,
Good article, well written. However, as brought up it does give an appearance (notice I said appearance) of a conflict of interest.
You highlight a RedGate product and guess what - Red Gate owns SQLServerCentral.com.
While most members are aware of this, not everyone may know that RedGate bought this site. It's not really highlighted anywhere.
I suggest doing like other media outlets do...include a disclaimer that RedGate owns this site when you write an article (pro or con) about one of their products.
Just my 2 cents.
-SQLBill
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SQLBill (8/20/2010)
Steve,
Good article, well written. However, as brought up it does give an appearance (notice I said appearance) of a conflict of interest.
You highlight a RedGate product and guess what - Red Gate owns SQLServerCentral.com.
While most members are aware of this, not everyone may know that RedGate bought this site. It's not really highlighted anywhere.
I suggest doing like other media outlets do...include a disclaimer that RedGate owns this site when you write an article (pro or con) about one of their products.
Just my 2 cents.
-SQLBill
Here's the thing, this is not a media outlet. No claims of impartiality are made.
And personally, Im willing to sit through the occasional shameless plug for the information and discussions that are fostered by this site. They gotta pay the bills, and Id much rather have that be through a little optional product pushing than through subscriptions.
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