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Posted Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:43 AM


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Trust! Trust, but Verify! This was a signature phrase of Ronald Reagan. Even if you fully trust someone it is extremely wise to run the tests yourself.

While the Trustee may have given you a procedure that is great for the common masses - He or She does not have all the facts and variables of your situation so it may not work for you.

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So... what're you sayin', Steve? You don't trust me?
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Posted Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:59 AM
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Lynn Pettis (6/25/2009)

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I have to disagree. I think "trust " is the correct word. You "trust" a doctor to provide you with proper medical career, but would you "trust" him with your favorite sports car, checkbook, or to rebuild your desktop PC?

Trust comes in many forms.



I agree. Trust is not binary. It's a highly fluid calculation tht we make using mental machinery not even accessible to our conscious mind. Trust/distrust mechanisms are far older than our species and are highly nuanced.

And yes, trust online involves many of the same mechanisms short of body language that are used in our web of trusts in the 'real' world. You tend to trust people whose thinking you can understand, who've dealt well with your in the past, who've dealt well with others that we trust. It's all a mental calculus, that while refined by experience, is significantly instinctive.

Without this subtle skill society could not function. So much resources (mental and physical) would be consumed by protection of self and assets that cooperation would be impossible.

No trust is immune to being misplaced, and the close trusts violated are far more emotionally devastating than trusts that are more at arms length (violation of trust by spouse vs by a hired contractor, for example)



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Posted Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:51 AM


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Double-checking a solution suggested by the more seasoned gurus on this or other sites is perfectly fine. If I run it on my own desktop, and it doesn't work, either there was a typo or error in remembering all of a table's or view's columns (for example, can you all name, off the top of your heads, what all the columns are when selecting from sys.dm_db_index_physical_stats(...)?). As long as the logic and spirit of the solution is sound, you can still be confident in that person's abilities.

People being people, however, a bona fide mistake, an error in the logic, will eventually occur. Give the person the same professional feedback as they gave you and they should be grown up enough to say, "Oh! How did I miss that? Thank you."

I can only imagine the discussions that Paul and his wife, Kimberly Tripp, have when they catch each other's mistakes, rare as they may be. Eventually will want to make it to a SQL conference and see them both present the same subject. I've heard they're quite spirited.


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Posted Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:16 PM


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I can only imagine the discussions that Paul and his wife, Kimberly Tripp, have when they catch each other's mistakes, rare as they may be. Eventually will want to make it to a SQL conference and see them both present the same subject. I've heard they're quite spirited.


It's ... an experience. Almost like it's a cross between a presentation and a comedy.



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I can only imagine the discussions that Paul and his wife, Kimberly Tripp, have when they catch each other's mistakes, rare as they may be. Eventually will want to make it to a SQL conference and see them both present the same subject. I've heard they're quite spirited.


It's ... an experience. Almost like it's a cross between a presentation and a comedy.


I take it that saying they may have "a difference of opinion" on various subjects is putting it mildly??



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I can only imagine the discussions that Paul and his wife, Kimberly Tripp, have when they catch each other's mistakes, rare as they may be. Eventually will want to make it to a SQL conference and see them both present the same subject. I've heard they're quite spirited.


It's ... an experience. Almost like it's a cross between a presentation and a comedy.


I take it that saying they may have "a difference of opinion" on various subjects is putting it mildly??


No, not really. More that they're perfectly at ease teasing each other on stage, while presenting



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David Reed (6/25/2009)
So... what're you sayin', Steve? You don't trust me?


Sure, far as I can throw you, which come to think about it, might be a good distance!








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So... what're you sayin', Steve? You don't trust me?


Sure, far as I can throw you, which come to think about it, might be a good distance!


Geez, I haven't lost that much weight. Bring your sparring pads the next time you're on campus, sensei. We could even sell tickets for charity!
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Posted Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:04 PM


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Ha!, you spar for real. I'm just an old geezer going through the motions.






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