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A lot of the gaming forums are starting to moderate heavily. Don't think they have much choice anymore, the amount of vile, abusive, hate type comments was just getting too much.


Heh... another good reason for me to avoid such diversions. It's amazing what people will say to each other when a little anonymity is allowed. Same goes with some of the responses to articles on Yahoo, etc. There's some pretty nasty stuff out there.


Yeah. Believe it or not on average (out of what I've seen) political articles had less vile comments than gaming forums. I've seen death threats, threats of other forms of violence, comments urging others to violence, etc, etc, over computer games.



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A lot of the gaming forums are starting to moderate heavily. Don't think they have much choice anymore, the amount of vile, abusive, hate type comments was just getting too much.


Heh... another good reason for me to avoid such diversions. It's amazing what people will say to each other when a little anonymity is allowed. Same goes with some of the responses to articles on Yahoo, etc. There's some pretty nasty stuff out there.


Yeah. Believe it or not on average (out of what I've seen) political articles had less vile comments than gaming forums. I've seen death threats, threats of other forms of violence, comments urging others to violence, etc, etc, over computer games.


Unbelievable. And, like you said, all over a blasted computer game. Heh... come to think of it, I may have interviewed one of these folks recently. NOT someone I'd want to work with at all.


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Posted Saturday, October 5, 2013 8:12 PM


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Speaking of "unbelievable", is THIS all that a Master's degree + the ability to walk on water is worth nowadays?

--Jeff Moden
"RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for "Row-By-Agonizing-Row".

First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column."

(play on words) "Just because you CAN do something in T-SQL, doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T." --22 Aug 2013

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Jeff Moden (10/5/2013)
Speaking of "unbelievable", is THIS all that a Master's degree + the ability to walk on water is worth nowadays?


But they have phone reimbursement. ;>)
Oh, that must mean they expect to call a lot at all hours too.
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Posted Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:20 AM


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Speaking of "unbelievable", is THIS all that a Master's degree + the ability to walk on water is worth nowadays?


But they have phone reimbursement. ;>)
Oh, that must mean they expect to call a lot at all hours too.


BWAAA-HAAA!!! I was thinking the very same thing!

Even if I had one and they actually had an appropriate salary, I wouldn't work for a company that required its DBAs to have Master Degrees unless I was at wits end trying to find a job. Sounds way too much like a club for "Ring Knockers".


--Jeff Moden
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First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column."

(play on words) "Just because you CAN do something in T-SQL, doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T." --22 Aug 2013

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Posted Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:32 AM


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I'm not actually looking for a job but it's sometimes a good thing to check on what the going rates are for different jobs. I'm seeing a fair number of DBA and "master Sql Developer" jobs in the UK for 25-30K pounds. In US dollars, the high end of that is only about 48K USD. Is the cost of living in the UK that low or are the jobs that fall into that range "low ball" postings?


--Jeff Moden
"RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for "Row-By-Agonizing-Row".

First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column."

(play on words) "Just because you CAN do something in T-SQL, doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T." --22 Aug 2013

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Posted Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:34 AM


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Speaking of "unbelievable", is THIS all that a Master's degree + the ability to walk on water is worth nowadays?


But they have phone reimbursement. ;>)
Oh, that must mean they expect to call a lot at all hours too.


BWAAA-HAAA!!! I was thinking the very same thing!

Even if I had one and they actually had an appropriate salary, I wouldn't work for a company that required its DBAs to have Master Degrees unless I was at wits end trying to find a job. Sounds way too much like a club for "Ring Knockers".


It isn't required for my position, but I have a Masters degree.



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Jeff Moden (10/6/2013)
I'm not actually looking for a job but it's sometimes a good thing to check on what the going rates are for different jobs. I'm seeing a fair number of DBA and "master Sql Developer" jobs in the UK for 25-30K pounds. In US dollars, the high end of that is only about 48K USD. Is the cost of living in the UK that low or are the jobs that fall into that range "low ball" postings?

Yes, those are definitely "low ball" postings. A kid fresh out of university with a poor grade bachelors degree, not a very good university at that, and no experience at all, might get £25k (depends on location, salaries vary quite widely by region of the country). With a good degree from a good university he might get £30k as a trainee DBA for a merchant bank, but there are not terribly many jobs that would pay that to a new graduate with no experience and only a bachelors degree, just a few now and again. There are a number of firms that stick to offering low amounts in the hope of persuading government that because they get no useful applicants there must be a skills shortage so they must be allowed to import cheap labour from elsewhere, maybe it's their adverts that you are seeing?


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There are a number of firms that stick to offering low amounts in the hope of persuading government that because they get no useful applicants there must be a skills shortage so they must be allowed to import cheap labour from elsewhere...


Hmmm... hadn't thought of that ploy before. It's amazing the things some people will go through. Since I didn't know certains would pull that kind of monkey business, I don't know if that's what I'm looking at or not.

I was aware that certain companies regularly low-balled on salary just because they were cheap. We have a couple here that I know of in the US. It turned out they were just ignorant of what it took to get some talent inhouse and then keep them. After years of getting people that were down on their luck that also left the company as soon as they found a higher paying job, the company I'm talking about finally figured out what the true costs of low-balling is in the form of lost learning and continuous training of new people when people smarten up and leave.


--Jeff Moden
"RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for "Row-By-Agonizing-Row".

First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
Stop thinking about what you want to do to a row... think, instead, of what you want to do to a column."

(play on words) "Just because you CAN do something in T-SQL, doesn't mean you SHOULDN'T." --22 Aug 2013

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Jeff Moden (10/5/2013)
I agree, Tom. Both moderated and unmoderated have problems. It think the best of both worlds are the unmoderated forums that ask you to interpret a graphic key to submit a post. At least that keeps the 'bots from posting SPAM.


Speaking as a moderator on a game forum, it's not just the bots you have to worry about--there are plenty of examples where it's pretty clear a human poster has posted the spam; I think they hire people to do it from countries where labour is dirt cheap. Such a person easily gets round a graphical captcha, for obvious reasons.
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