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(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)


Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).


In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me. [/quote]
That's answering the wrong question ("are they one language or two") which is anyway a question I would never ask of a pair as closely related as these because the only useful answer is "it depends on your definition". It doesn't answer the real question at all, which is about fashion rather than fact, ie what is the politically correct way to treat them. The question should perhaps have been phrased as: "regardless of whether they are actually one or two or more languages, which depends on definitions, which number can be used with the least risk of producing a silly reaction from those numerous and vociferous idiots who think that their worldview is the only correct one and that anyone who thinks differently is necessarily an ill-mannered and offensive person?".


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You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?

<headdesk>

"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.

Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.


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You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?

<headdesk>

"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.

Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.



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You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?

<headdesk>

"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.

Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.



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play some fitty scent real loud so people will walk away.







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You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?

<headdesk>

"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.

Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.



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I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you %&@# Loch Ness Monster! Get your own %&@# money!


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You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?

<headdesk>

"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.

Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.



I need about tree-fitty.



play some fitty scent real loud so people will walk away.


Steve, did I ever tell you about the time I met the Loch Ness Monster?

edited to add: Dangit, Wolf, you typed faster than me.



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OK I will show my true American colors here. My wife's company just got a new client in Newfoundland. She is going to have to travel there this fall at some point and wants to take me with her. This sounds like a great opportunity. Then the realization that I don't have a passport hits me. This is probably unbelievable to many of you that a guy in his mid 40s doesn't have a passport. The US is a big place and I used to able to go to Canada and Mexico with no passport. The last time I truly traveled abroad was the summer I spent in England when I was 10. That means my passport expired more than 25 years ago. There are a lot of extra hoops to jump through because I have not had a passport for so long. It would actually be easier if I had never had one before. The upside is that if it comes through in time I should be able to spend a week in Vancouver in September too since she has some client meetings there.

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(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)


Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).

In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me.


That's answering the wrong question ("are they one language or two") which is anyway a question I would never ask of a pair as closely related as these because the only useful answer is "it depends on your definition". It doesn't answer the real question at all, which is about fashion rather than fact, ie what is the politically correct way to treat them. The question should perhaps have been phrased as: "regardless of whether they are actually one or two or more languages, which depends on definitions, which number can be used with the least risk of producing a silly reaction from those numerous and vociferous idiots who think that their worldview is the only correct one and that anyone who thinks differently is necessarily an ill-mannered and offensive person?".


Groan, so much typing and it didn't answer your question
I think of it as only one language. So when I talk about Dutch, it's about one language, regardles if it is spoken in Belgium or The Netherlands.
I'm not sure if the Dutch people agree with me here





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Anyone have an idea what's wrong with this guy's SQL Agent?

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1471588-1292-1.aspx#bm1472553




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Anyone have an idea what's wrong with this guy's SQL Agent?

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1471588-1292-1.aspx#bm1472553


There's a man who leads a life of danger. To everyone he meets he stays a stranger. Oops... wrong agent, never mind.
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