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lptech (3/18/2013)
In the last 1-2 years, I have given up on religious wars in technology (this should not be taken in any way to have anything to do with real religion). Just part of the list from the last 20 years or so: Mainframe-PC, Windows-UNIX, DB2-IMS/IDMS, Sybase-Oracle-Informix-Ingress, SQL Server-Oracle, PC-MAC, iPhone/Pad-Android, I don't argue about it anymore. Each technology is good for something, and works better for some people. Life is too short, and nobody convinces the other side anyway. I think that my oldest son misses these arguments, at least WRT Apple products


Utterly agree. The more experience I gain (for that, read "the older I get" ) the more I see the technologies I work with purely as tools, and it's not the tool that is important but what you end up producing. A cabinet maker is judged professionally by the furniture he or she produces, not by the make of planes and chisels he or she uses, so why should it be different in the IT world?


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majorbloodnock (3/19/2013)Utterly agree. The more experience I gain (for that, read "the older I get" ) the more I see the technologies I work with purely as tools, and it's not the tool that is important but what you end up producing. A cabinet maker is judged professionally by the furniture he or she produces, not by the make of planes and chisels he or she uses, so why should it be different in the IT world?


At the risk of firing up another "discussion"... we risk losing our unique place to make THE difference, instead of A difference; or worse, backing a winning horse that eventually loses. You've always struck me as reasonably logical when it comes to evaluating the human condition, Bloodnock, so was this a rhetorical question?



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lptech (3/18/2013)
In the last 1-2 years, I have given up on religious wars in technology (this should not be taken in any way to have anything to do with real religion). Just part of the list from the last 20 years or so: Mainframe-PC, Windows-UNIX, DB2-IMS/IDMS, Sybase-Oracle-Informix-Ingress, SQL Server-Oracle, PC-MAC, iPhone/Pad-Android, I don't argue about it anymore. Each technology is good for something, and works better for some people. Life is too short, and nobody convinces the other side anyway. I think that my oldest son misses these arguments, at least WRT Apple products


I never went in for those kinds of arguments (they are rarely discussions or debates). I tend to find that most technology has its value but all could be better. Perhaps a little unfair but I've yet to see perfection and time always highlights that anything could be better.

Phone wars are the funniest: my Mrs hates my brilliant Windows Phone and I can't get on with her adored iPhone. Solution: she has an iPhone and I have a Windows Phone. Simple


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Gary Varga (3/19/2013)
Phone wars are the funniest: my Mrs hates my brilliant Windows Phone and I can't get on with her adored iPhone. Solution: she has an iPhone and I have a Windows Phone. Simple


Couldn't agree more. To quote an antique: "Different Strokes for Different Folks."

I like Droid, personally, but more for what I don't have to deal with than what it does.

There was a question in the editorial as to what has changed for me. I figure it's only fair to answer. Everything.

In 3 years.

I used to think I was excellent at my job. I learned I was, but that I had sooo much more to learn. Ignorance assumes perfection, I guess. Then I came here.

Allow me to explain just how wrong I was.

I showed up here for the last 5/6 years or so prior to my first post. I opened an account simply to read an article sometime in the past century (me, exagerate? never. I also can't spell at 4:30 in the morning). Off and on I'd slip in and pick up some tidbit.

Then I realized I needed help when I decided the deep end of the pool wasn't so deep and realized I couldn't swim there... after going in headfirst.

Jeff Moden whapped me one upside the head and explained to me that this resource wasn't simply for me to show up and beat on when I chose, I'd better behave by what the forum expected if I wanted some help. Well crap. It took one post (slight pride on my part) and I fixed that error. I got some of the most amazing help to what was a simple problem to this forum and moved on. Then I decided the forum was a place I should probably get more involved in, there was a lot of knowledge here.

Ever felt like a mosquito at the lion's feast?

I've learned that although I'm pretty damned good at my job, I am not a guru... even in any particular aspect. I've learned that although I know a lot of tricks, I simply can't know all of them. I've learned (once again recently) that someone with 10 posts can point me at a solution that people with thousands couldn't. I've learned that respect from intelligent people, that I want to earn it from, isn't earned through humor nor ability; but by presentation backed with knowledge. I've been reminded of something that the internet made me forget; an argument is not a debate and a debate is sure as hell not an argument if you want to actually have a debate and learn something.

I've learned that the most obnoxious presence I know on the internet (and I usually eat the trolls, they're tasty) can actually teach me something if you read through the trash. Those of you who know who I'm talking about please leave out the name, I did on purpose.

I've been forcibly reminded recently that late data is useless data. A rough idea, known for being worth that value, is better than perfection delivered 3 days later.

I've learned tons. I don't think anyone in this industry can HELP but learn... or die through attrition to those who can, though they may have weaker skills presently.

I'll keep learning. I'm not dead yet. Now present your ankles.



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Posted Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:02 AM


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First of all, Craig, thanks very much for the compliment; I do my best.

Regarding your question, I'm embarrassed to say I'm not entirely clear what you're asking, so I'll try to clarify what I originally meant.

In my opinion, the people who pay for a company's IT don't care what technologies we use. Any users of IT will judge our work in their terms, not ours, so they won't care if we use SQL Server or Oracle, but will care if they can't access their data. As a result, I believe we should concentrate on achieving what our users need achieved and only worry about technical elegance after that. A technically elegant solution may well be important in terms of ongoing maintenance and so on, but is irrelevant if the solution doesn't meet the business's needs.

The uniqueness for IT is its ability to touch all areas of the business, so our capacity to make the difference relies on our ability to understand the business and the processes it both uses and needs. If we can do that, we should be able to switch between which db platform we use, which server OS, which client OS, which CRM package, which financial package end so on according to what we can afford, what is currently available and how well it meets our current needs. Eventually, the business will judge us on how much value IT provides to the business, not on the tools we use.


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Posted Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:07 AM


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Just to add that Craig wrote his latest post whilst I was writing mine, so I didn't get a chance to agree wholeheartedly with all he has said in it. Words of wisdom, Craig.

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majorbloodnock (3/19/2013)
First of all, Craig, thanks very much for the compliment; I do my best.

My pleasure, I assure you.

Regarding your question, I'm embarrassed to say I'm not entirely clear what you're asking, so I'll try to clarify what I originally meant.

My apologies and you've answered it thoroughly. I blame a distraction from about 3 hours ago that was quite cute and looked amazing through a beer bottle. Thus, my fault. You asked a question I felt you already had the answer to, and was hoping for the clarification you've already made.

My personal opinion, and that's all it is before I get swamped in PMs, an opinion, is that a majority of the tech wars revolve around two concepts. What is the most usable for a particular user, and what a techie is most involved with for their continued career. There are outliers to be sure of people stuck in one tech who desperately wish they could use another to provide solutions, but I find those people to be rare and not zealots that are usually found in the tech/religious wars.

I will support SQL Server until it dies. Why? I've based my continued career around it. I will advocate it's TCO, its adaptability, and the ease of finding lower level (and thus cheaper) support for it than the majority of other platforms. I'll also tell a client to hire an Access developer on occassion and leave my number should they grow at some point. Our newbies need work too.

The end result is that our clients must use our products. They decide what they want. Windows 8, as much as it annoys me in simply its display, is based on countless hours of marketing research. Someone must want this thing. I'll wait for the next server deploy, personally. The tool we make them with means nothing until the user is happy. The rest is who got hired to build it, Bob the <sometechhere> guru... or me.



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