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Posted Monday, July 9, 2012 8:15 AM


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djackson 22568 (7/9/2012)
Steve,

I agree with the point that I believe you were intending to make. No arguments whatsoever.

However, a lot of people are worried about losing their jobs, and the reasons are similar enough that I expect to see some contrarian positions here. For example, a lot of highly educated people end up losing their jobs as part of cost cutting measures, only to be replaced by less costly, younger workers. The H1B visa is an atrocious attack on American high tech workers, sold to the public as a way to fill jobs "nobody wants" and "nobody is qualified for", and has been shown to be causing a decline in college students pursuing tech.

Am I afraid of technology replacing me? Not at all.

Do I understand why a lot of people are worried about thier jobs, oh yeah. Those who do may or may not benefit from improving themselves. It is possible to improve oneself out of a job as the cost to employ is raised.

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WOW, very good points, Dave.



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Posted Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM


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Jeff Moden (7/8/2012)
Excellent editorial, Steve! I wish I could give it a hundred stars because it really hits the nail on the head. There're too many people that spend way too much time doing the "Chicken Little" thing.


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Posted Monday, July 9, 2012 9:42 AM


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I agree with the point that I believe you were intending to make. No arguments whatsoever.
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Good points, and I won't argue with you on this. There are any number of managers who do think the DBA is a tax and shouldn't be paid. They are happy to get by with less. Nothing to be done there, except to prove you're an asset, not an expense.







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Posted Monday, July 9, 2012 9:45 AM


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Bottom line: if the agency is small enough, they don't want a DBA. They're not willing to pay that "DBA tax". They'll make anyone who has any IT experience be the developer, administrator, PC tech, help desk, network engineer and of course DBA.


I'm not sure you're getting the same point I wanted to make. It isn't that you need a DBA, or that a DBA is a tax. It's that the DBA is often seen as a tax for a system, not providing value, but just cost. That could apply to any position.

The idea is that you want to prove you have value to the company, whatever your position. Make sure they see you as valuable, or I would advise you move on.

Side note: I wouldn't make my life/career decisions based on the impact to other employees. You can talk with them, but if you don't like the work, move on. Life is short, way too short to stick around if you don't have to in a position that doesn't work for you.







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djackson 22568 (7/9/2012)


I agree with the point that I believe you were intending to make. No arguments whatsoever.
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Good points, and I won't argue with you on this. There are any number of managers who do think the DBA is a tax and shouldn't be paid. They are happy to get by with less. Nothing to be done there, except to prove you're an asset, not an expense.


Agreed. The goal is to show you save more then you cost. Not always easy to do, but each year I seem to stumble across some way to save actual expenses that exceed what I get paid, not including what I actually "produce" each year as an Analyst and DBA.

One of my favorite examples is when we had to replace all of our time clocks, and I negotiated a price that saved us about 80% of my salary. Pretty easy to show your value that way!

Showing your value as a programmer, a DBA or other technical roles isn't as easy, because we don't normally have those kinds of opportunities for clear savings. How does one assign a value to backups, integrity checks, reindexing - unless something goes wrong first!

Dave


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The idea is that you want to prove you have value to the company, whatever your position. Make sure they see you as valuable, or I would advise you move on.



I totally agree. I once had a IT Director say in a very large meeting "I'm not sure what our DBA's do here." I could not let that go, and I immediately replied, but respectively. "Well sir, if you attended our Change Control meetings every week you would definitely find out. You get the invitation in Outlook every week.." The moral of the story is don't say things about the DBA's if you don't know or care what they do for you.


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If your employer doesn't know what you do and why they pay you then you have already lost the battle. Get out while the getting is good.

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jfogel (7/9/2012)
If your employer doesn't know what you do and why they pay you then you have already lost the battle. Get out while the getting is good.


It's also time to educate that employer on what you do.




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The idea is that you want to prove you have value to the company, whatever your position. Make sure they see you as valuable, or I would advise you move on.



I totally agree. I once had a IT Director say in a very large meeting "I'm not sure what our DBA's do here." I could not let that go, and I immediately replied, but respectively. "Well sir, if you attended our Change Control meetings every week you would definitely find out. You get the invitation in Outlook every week.." The moral of the story is don't say things about the DBA's if you don't know or care what they do for you.


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The idea is that you want to prove you have value to the company, whatever your position. Make sure they see you as valuable, or I would advise you move on.



I totally agree. I once had a IT Director say in a very large meeting "I'm not sure what our DBA's do here." I could not let that go, and I immediately replied, but respectively. "Well sir, if you attended our Change Control meetings every week you would definitely find out. You get the invitation in Outlook every week.." The moral of the story is don't say things about the DBA's if you don't know or care what they do for you.

You need to take two or three weeks off from work, and then your IT Director will know exactly what it is you do.
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