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 Posted Monday, September 6, 2010 8:11 PM
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 Comments posted to this topic are about the item Inside the Optimizer: Constructing a Plan - Part 1Link to Part 2Link to Part 3Link to Part 4 Paul WhiteSQLPerformance.comSQLblog.com@SQL_Kiwi
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 2:56 AM
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 Feature-packed and very readable article as always Paul.It's a little like watching your favourite tv program - just as you're really getting into it, you reach the end and the credits roll. Can't wait for the next installment “Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail ShawFor fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.Understanding and using APPLY, (I) and (II) Paul White Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop Jeff ModenExploring Recursive CTEs by Example Dwain Camps
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:35 AM
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 Great article. I look forward to the series.Can you help me understand the difference in the Nested Loops operator between the first and second plan? Other than the '!' point warning symbol in the first plan they look the same to me. How can you tell one is doing a Cartesion Join while the other is doing an Inner join?
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 7:39 AM
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 should make for an interesting series.How do you turn off rules in the optimiser? Or is that something its best not to know? (or put in print) ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 8:01 AM
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 I agree with the previous comments - great article!jim.jaggers1 (9/7/2010)Can you help me understand the difference in the Nested Loops operator between the first and second plan? Other than the '!' point warning symbol in the first plan they look the same to me. How can you tell one is doing a Cartesion Join while the other is doing an Inner join?The exclamation point symbol is not related. This simply indicates an warning from the optimzier - usually an indication of missing statistics.In the exectution plan, you can find the difference by checking the properties of the operators (you can see them by hovering your mouse over them, or by right-clicking, selecting "properties", then clicking the operators you want to check).If the filtering is done before the join, then you will see a "predicate" property on the scan before (to the right of) the join operator. (Or a "seek predicate" property if it's a seek). In this case, the join itsself is technically still a cartesian join, but on pre-filtered inputs (as if you write ... FROM (SELECT ... WHERE ...) AS a JOIN (SELECT ... WHERE ...) AS b ON ...)If the filtering is done during the join, then you will see a "predicate" property and/or "outer references" property on the join operator. This is a true non-cartesian join (inner join, unless the operator is an outer join operator).If the filtering is done after the join, you'll see a "predicate" or similar property on one of the operators after (to the left of) the join operator. Usually a filter operator. In these cases, the join was a "true" cartesian product. Hugo Kornelis, SQL Server MVPVisit my SQL Server blog: http://sqlblog.com/blogs/hugo_kornelis
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 9:08 AM
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 george sibbald (9/7/2010)How do you turn off rules in the optimiser?Everything (in detail) will be revealed in subsequent parts...stay tuned Paul WhiteSQLPerformance.comSQLblog.com@SQL_Kiwi
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 9:13 AM
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 jim.jaggers1 (9/7/2010)Can you help me understand the difference in the Nested Loops operator between the first and second plan? Other than the '!' point warning symbol in the first plan they look the same to me. How can you tell one is doing a Cartesion Join while the other is doing an Inner join?The exclamation point is shown where compiler warnings occur. In this case the warning is: "No Join Predicate". A cartesian product is a join with no join predicate. The other visual clue is that the size of the arrow on the output of the join is *huge* - indicating a very large number of rows. Paul WhiteSQLPerformance.comSQLblog.com@SQL_Kiwi
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 10:24 AM
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 It's too bad we're limited to just 5 stars...Great article Paul.Have you got some references you can pass on about how the optimizer works? WayneMicrosoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008Author - SQL Server T-SQL RecipesIf you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!Links: For better assistance in answering your questions, How to ask a question, Performance Problems, Common date/time routines,CROSS-TABS and PIVOT tables Part 1 & Part 2, Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2, Splitting Delimited Strings
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 10:58 AM
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 WayneS (9/7/2010)Have you got some references you can pass on about how the optimizer works?For sure:Craig Freedman: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/craigfr/SQL Server Storage Engine: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlserverstorageengine/CSS: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/psssql/Query Processing: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlqueryprocessing/White Papers: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sqlserver/bb671430.aspxSQLCAT: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlcat/Conor vs. SQL: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/conor_cunningham_msft/Programmability & API: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sqlprogrammability/Bart Duncan: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bartd/Conor @ SQLskills: http://www.sqlskills.com/blogs/conor/QO Team: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/queryoptteam/Joe Chang: http://www.qdpma.com/CBO/SQLServerCostBasedOptimizer.htmlThe SQL Server Internals books edited by Kalen Delaney are also excellent sources. Optimizer stuff is covered particularly well in 2008 Internals (Conor Cunningham) and 2005 Query Tuning & Optimization (Craig Freedman). Paul WhiteSQLPerformance.comSQLblog.com@SQL_Kiwi
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 Posted Tuesday, September 7, 2010 11:12 AM
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 Chris Morris-439714 (9/7/2010)Feature-packed and very readable article as always Paul.It's a little like watching your favourite tv program - just as you're really getting into it, you reach the end and the credits roll. Can't wait for the next installment Thank you, Chris. Steve did an excellent job with the scheduling on this four-part series, so you'll get Part 2 on Thursday, and Parts 3 & 4 on Tuesday & Thursday next week. The graphics are best in Part 1, but the content gets better in the later parts Paul WhiteSQLPerformance.comSQLblog.com@SQL_Kiwi
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