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Tim Mitchell

Posted Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:07 PM

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Henrico Bekker

Posted Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:26 PM

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Nice comparison with zipper and bad code, decisions etc.
I agree Tim, none of us are perfect, so in the event of a "not on purpose" mistake, or even if anything we do, could
be done better or improved, why not? Essentially we are all on the same team, and no one should have a team member
make mistakes.

There is no shame in taking advice, especially if it's good advice!
Watching someone make a mistake, and leaving it, is on you.

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SQLRNNR

Posted Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:05 PM

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Thanks Tim. This was a nice reminder on accepting and owning up to a mistake. It is not a pleasant situation to need to discuss a mistake with somebody, but must be done from time to time.

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ST_John

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:31 AM

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Absolutely agree, much better to hear from someone quietly that you've made a blooper and even though that initial conversation can (and prob will) be awkward it is perfectly possible that it can lead to a fruitful professional friendship.

btw, if anyone has spotted any of my bloopers, please e-mail me quietly Smile

John

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majorbloodnock

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:21 AM

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Agree totally with the editorial. Constructive criticism is almost always the right thing to do, and if it's not appreciated then at least you know you did the right thing.

I'll also suggest a good rule of thumb (closely linked with Tim's point) is to criticise privately and congratulate publicly.

IMHO, of course....

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george sibbald

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:30 AM

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some good points Tim, and perhaps a timely reminder for anyone suffering from 'forum fatigue'.

there will of course always be people who cannot accept having their points clarified, let alone criticised.

question, how would you privately correct someone on a public forum like SSC without leaving bad information out there to trip up someone coming along later?

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Gary Varga

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:25 AM

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In the right environment, a public correction can have a great deal of benefit for many. It attempts to dispel urban myths and encourages open debate. Obviously, this is different from the "zipper issue" where being discrete is everything.

Adults, particularly professionals, need to differentiate between when it is beneficial for a wider audience and when it isn't.

Gaz

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IceDread

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:38 AM

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Everyone can make bad decisions but what I find most annoying is when you in private talk to the person about it and he refuses to take responsibility for it and dose nothing about it. Very annoying and unprofessional. Having that happen is perhaps not very common but it's very bad and annoying.

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Scott Smith health care...

Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:49 AM

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Great article. Nicely done about a difficult topic. You should work in HR.

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Posted Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:38 AM

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Good analogy.

I use all three, depending on the circumstances.

There have been times where I judged the error just needed to be fixed and nothing really needed to be said, so I did so.

There have been times where I felt a private communication (via whatever medium) was appropriate, so I did that.

And there have been times where I've called the person out publicly. I only resort to that when I feel that not doing so will cause more damage than doing so, or where I'm calling someone out for publicly berating another undeservedly.

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